First, Marijuana. Are Magic Mushrooms Next?

blake9999

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In Oregon and Denver, where marijuana is legal for recreational use, activists are now pushing toward a psychedelic frontier: “magic mushrooms.”

Groups in both states are sponsoring ballot measures that would eliminate criminal penalties for possession of the mushrooms whose active ingredient, psilocybin, can cause hallucinations, euphoria and changes in perception. They point to research showing that psilocybin might be helpful for people suffering from depression or anxiety.

“We don’t want individuals to lose their freedom over something that’s natural and has health benefits,” said Kevin Matthews, the campaign director of , the group working to decriminalize magic mushrooms in Colorado’s capital.

The recent failure of a nationally publicized campaign to decriminalize hallucinogenic mushrooms in California may not portend well for the psilocybin advocates in Oregon and Denver — though their initiatives are more limited than California’s.

The proposal in the Golden State would have decriminalized sales and transportation of magic mushrooms, not just possession. The proposed Denver would apply only to that city, while in Oregon mushroom use would be allowed only with the approval of a physician and under the supervision of a registered therapist.

None of the proposed initiatives envisions fully legalizing psilocybin mushrooms, which would allow the government to regulate and tax sales in a similar fashion to medical and recreational marijuana.

In Oregon, advocates face a steep climb to qualify their measure for the ballot, because such statewide initiatives typically require hiring paid signature gatherers, said William Lunch, a political analyst for Oregon Public Broadcasting and a former political science professor at Oregon State University.

Still, familiarity with recreational marijuana may have “softened up” voters and opponents of drug decriminalization, he said. Oregon legalized marijuana for recreational use in 2015, Colorado in 2012.

The Oregon and Denver activists, echoing Lunch, say they hope voters who already accepted pot would now feel comfortable decriminalizing personal use of magic mushrooms as well.

Taking mushrooms can lead to nausea, panic attacks and, rarely, paranoia and psychosis. But they generally are considered safer and less addictive than other illegal street drugs.

Even so, Paul Hutson, professor of pharmacy at the University of Wisconsin who has conducted psilocybin research, says he is wary of the drive for decriminalization. Psilocybin isn’t safe for some people — particularly those with paranoia or psychosis, he said.

“I reject the idea that that this is a natural progression from medical marijuana,” Hutson said, noting that the safety of pot is much better established. Mushrooms, he added, “are very, very potent medicines that are affecting your mind. In the proper setting, they’re safe, but in an uncontrolled fashion, I have grave concerns.”
 

Bio Stimz

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Well neither marijuana or psilocybin will ever be removed from the Controlled-Substances Act.

In terms of state-decriminalization.... I just don't see it happening with any hallucinogenic.... ever.

People can interact and function normally in society under the influence of marijuana. Even after heavy use.

Try eating a quarter of Amazonian Cubensis.... then get back to me on how well you fit into society ; )


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SchmoeJoe

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Well neither marijuana or psilocybin will ever be removed from the Controlled-Substances Act.

In terms of state-decriminalization.... I just don't see it happening with any hallucinogenic.... ever.

People can interact and function normally in society under the influence of marijuana. Even after heavy use.

Try eating a quarter of Amazonian Cubensis.... then get back to me on how well you fit into society ; )


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We already have politicians talking about rescheduling. It's happening. Psychadelics likely will be with tight regulation for use in strictly controlled therapy sessions long before anything else but it's also happening as we speak, just a whole lot slower.

On another note, love those Amazonians. Such a quick come up you hardly have those "almost there" jitters. Here in my hometown it used to be really common to see people hanging out in parks eating the cyanescens, strictipes, azurescens, and stuntzii that grew in the wood chips in landscaped areas. That was before the city caught on and started treating all planting beds in public spaces with fungicides
 

Bio Stimz

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We already have politicians talking about rescheduling. It's happening. Psychadelics likely will be with tight regulation for use in strictly controlled therapy sessions long before anything else but it's also happening as we speak, just a whole lot slower
It really doesn't matter who is "talking".

There's nothing "happening" .... aside from talk.

Neither of the substances will ever be removed from the CSA, and I definitely don't see any hallucinogenic whatsoever being removed from Schedule I.

Don't hold your breath people.

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SchmoeJoe

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It really doesn't matter who is "talking".

There's nothing "happening" .... aside from talk.

Neither of the substances will ever be removed from the CSA, and I definitely don't see any hallucinogenic whatsoever being removed from Schedule I.

Don't hold your breath people.

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More politicians talking out in favor of it absolutely matters. It's a clear and definable sign of progress. You have to realize that it's taken this long since the counter culture made marijuana relatively mainstream and orOreg decriminalized weed in 1972 for us to get to where we are. That's almost 50 years to get to the point where high level officials are openly discussing legalization.

As far as psychadelics there are already a number of other countries way ahead of us on different variations of decriminalization/legalization. The US is actually behind the curve on that one but we'll get there. People doubting or outright calling bullshit like yourself might slow it down but you're not going to stop it. It might be 50 years from now but...
 

SchmoeJoe

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rofl

You have no fucking clue what you are talking about
It's a matter of generational desensitization. There are other countries who've even legalized small amounts of literally every drug. Don't take my word for it. Go educate yourself.

This is another example of someone calling bullshit because they don't know enough to know better. While you're at it, before you tell me I don't know what I'm talking about again, go look up Dunning Kruger.
 

SchmoeJoe

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This isn't even all of the first page of search results for "US changing attitude toward psychadelics".

Like I said. Go educate yourself.

Edit: as matter of self correcting I ran the Google search without the implicit bias of "US 'changing' attitude" to just "US attitude". Same results. Maybe my Google account has formed a bias from my one time search prior to trying eliminate the bias. Check for yourself.
 

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SchmoeJoe

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You can legally buy magic mushrooms sclerota in the Netherlands.
Seth Rogen tells a funny story about him and a buddy getting high on legal mushrooms in Amsterdam on one of the late night shows.

There were actually seven different countries that decriminalized all drugs a while back. They pretty much all had a near reversal of all violent and property crimes. A group of US politicians started touring the country promoting the idea and we're essentially blacklisted from US politics. Attitudes are definitely starting to change here, finally.
 

SchmoeJoe

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These are just Rome's death throes.
Ceaser is busy eating McDonnals and feeling up prostitutes.
That's exactly it. We're definitely at a tipping point where more and more people are letting go of the old and gaining a new perspective.
 

Bio Stimz

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There are other countries who've even legalized small amounts of literally every drug.

You can legally buy magic mushrooms sclerotia in the Netherlands.

getting high on legal mushrooms in Amsterdam
Welcome to the United States of America.... Where the government's patent number 6,630,507 is set firmly into place.

Welcome to the United States of America.... Where the The DEA issues the interim final rule on the scheduling of a controlled-substance.... not Congress.

Neither of the two substances will ever be removed from the CSA.

Once again .... You have no clue what you are talking about.


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SchmoeJoe

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Welcome to the United States of America.... Where the government's patent number 6,630,507 is set firmly into place.

Welcome to the United States of America.... Where the The DEA issues the interim final rule on the scheduling of a controlled-substance.... not Congress.

Once again .... You have no clue what you are talking about.


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There's a lot more to it than that. There are quite a few laws that have gone into effect that are in complete contradiction to the constituConsand people are starting become aware and engaged about that too.

This is just one example. There are actions being taken at every level to do something about this. Of course a lot of them never even get any traction but it's going exactly the way that Cannabis laws are. Do you realize that it was just 2 years after the Feds enacted the CSA that Oregon passed their own bill decriminalizing weed that essentially told the Feds to fuck off while at the same time tested their willingness to challenge a state of it's right to exercise it's Constitutional right to it's own decisions on controlled substances?
 

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Bio Stimz

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Do you realize that it was just 2 years after the Feds enacted the CSA that Oregon passed their own bill decriminalizing weed that essentially told the Feds to fuck off while at the same time tested their willingness to challenge a state of it's right to exercise it's Constitutional right to it's own decisions on controlled substances?
rofl

The DEA sets the interim final ruling.... not the state.

The DEA can prosecute ANYONE they choose who says otherwise.

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