Soon, the world will be burning 100 million barrels of oil EVERY DAY

[Budley Doright]

Convert it to electric! It will have more torque and be much less expensive to operate.

Ya well hmmm, that sounds great and all good, but at what cost? If I had the 20 grand (guessing) to just plop down on my old truck then I would buy a new electric Porsche (now their cool) lol. I would need a hybrid due to charging limits so it gets even more complicated lol. I do what I can with what I have, the most significant this year is my lake loop geo I am installing. The main reasoning for doing it is the rebates offered through the provincial government, I’ll, given my skills, actually be doing it at no cost. unfortunately that is the only way that change will happen at the moment. Just way to expensive for most of the new tech to allow wide spread use IMO.

 

[ttystikk]

Ya well hmmm, that sounds great and all good, but at what cost? If I had the 20 grand (guessing) to just plop down on my old truck then I would buy a new electric Porsche (now their cool) lol. I would need a hybrid due to charging limits so it gets even more complicated lol. I do what I can with what I have, the most significant this year is my lake loop geo I am installing. The main reasoning for doing it is the rebates offered through the provincial government, I’ll, given my skills, actually be doing it at no cost. unfortunately that is the only way that change will happen at the moment. Just way to expensive for most of the new tech to allow wide spread use IMO.

Very nice! I dig the simple solutions.

Electric Porsche for $20k?! Where did you find that?

 

[Budley Doright]

Very nice! I dig the simple solutions.

Electric Porsche for $20k?! Where did you find that?

I didn’t lol, just saying if I had the extra to drop on my old truck, I’d have enough to buy the Porsche, don’t have either lol. I put about 5k on my truck a year so the insentive for fuel savings is just not there. It’s very expensive to save the planet .

 

[ttystikk]

I didn’t lol, just saying if I had the extra to drop on my old truck, I’d have enough to buy the Porsche, don’t have either lol. I put about 5k on my truck a year so the insentive for fuel savings is just not there. It’s very expensive to save the planet .

It would be cheaper if the subsidies currently going to oil companies went instead to those doing the saving.

 

[Rob Roy]

It's also something like 20x worse than CO₂ for it's greenhouse effect.

(I thought html tags worked )

I'm curious if you know how combusted methane compares to combusted propane ?

 

[Rob Roy]

It would be cheaper if the subsidies currently going to oil companies went instead to those doing the saving.

Subsidies are another word for forcible transfer of other peoples resources or money. In other words theft.

 

[Rob Roy]

Neither one of you knows shiznit from shinola, apparently.

Methane is colorless and odorless and mixes freely in the atmosphere. It takes about 12 years to break down into carbon dioxide and water, during which time it's some 30 times more potent a greenhouse gas.

Google is your friend, assumption your enemy.

Interesting. Methane is odorless? What causes the odor people commonly attribute to methane gas ?

I know that shinola is black. Now I'm probably a racist for saying that. Lol.

 

[gwheels]

Interesting. Methane is odorless? What causes the odor people commonly attribute to methane gas ?

I know that shinola is black. Now I'm probably a racist for saying that. Lol.

methane has a rotten egg (suphur) smell added to it so you can smell it when you have a leak. The gas itself is odorless.

 

[ttystikk]

I'm curious if you know how combusted methane compares to combusted propane ?

Half as much co2.

 

[ttystikk]

Subsidies are another word for forcible transfer of other peoples resources or money. In other words theft.

Yup. Your tax dollars at work!

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

the oil industry itself estimates we have 53 years of oil left at current consumption rates. even if they're hedging their estimates by 50% thats around 75 years of oil left, and 90 years worth of natural gas.
so right around the time we finally make some kind of decision, the matter will be taken out of our hands.
i find it hard to believe the huge money hungry corporations don't have some plan in place for that happening. they're not going to give up the hold they have on us simply because the oil runs out. i would be amazed if they don't already have an industry wide plan in place, in lock step with the auto industry. not because they're concerned about what will happen to society, but because they're concerned about what will happen to them if society stumbles

 

[ttystikk]

the oil industry itself estimates we have 53 years of oil left at current consumption rates. even if they're hedging their estimates by 50% thats around 75 years of oil left, and 90 years worth of natural gas.
so right around the time we finally make some kind of decision, the matter will be taken out of our hands.
i find it hard to believe the huge money hungry corporations don't have some plan in place for that happening. they're not going to give up the hold they have on us simply because the oil runs out. i would be amazed if they don't already have an industry wide plan in place, in lock step with the auto industry. not because they're concerned about what will happen to society, but because they're concerned about what will happen to them if society stumbles

They don't give a shit what happens after they've made their pile and retired; that's someone else's problem. They don't think their kids will suffer because they'll leave them a pile of money.

Pretty damned shortsighted if you ask me, but our civilisation has demonstrated a distinct unwillingness to grow up and accept responsibility for the long term consequences of the decisions made today.

 

[captainmorgan]

The super rich don't care, they believe that they have enough money and resources to survive any climate change problems. For one home grown example look at the Bush family land holdings in S America out in the middle of nowhere over a giant aquifer. Another bug out location for the super rich is New Zealand, they're building bunkers and compounds. They may be thinking climate change will be good for thinning the herd.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

not like i wish this on our kids, but a total collapse and reversion to bartering would be one of the best things that could happen to the world. all the useless lawyers won't have anything to trade and will be the first ones to starve to death. psychologist, particularly child psychologist, will go next. there's at least 25% of the worlds problems solved right there. politicians will go soon after, and there go another 70% of the worlds problems......95% of the worlds problems gone in a generation.....

 

[ttystikk]

The super rich don't care, they believe that they have enough money and resources to survive any climate change problems. For one home grown example look at the Bush family land holdings in S America out in the middle of nowhere over a giant aquifer. Another bug out location for the super rich is New Zealand, they're building bunkers and compounds. They may be thinking climate change will be good for thinning the herd.

They may be rich but they don't know their history.

Jacob Astor was a wealthy tycoon in the early 20th century. He could afford anything, including first class abominations on the newest, finest ship sailing to America. All that money did not save him from a watery fate when the Titanic struck an iceberg and sank.

The rich can't hide from the other 99.9% of us. They just think they can.

 

[ttystikk]

not like i wish this on our kids, but a total collapse and reversion to bartering would be one of the best things that could happen to the world. all the useless lawyers won't have anything to trade and will be the first ones to starve to death. psychologist, particularly child psychologist, will go next. there's at least 25% of the worlds problems solved right there. politicians will go soon after, and there go another 70% of the worlds problems......95% of the worlds problems gone in a generation.....

...along with 99% of the world's population. Nasty minor detail, that.

 

[captainmorgan]

They have know about the shit storm of climate change coming for many decades, why do you think they started building drilling platforms that are elevated much higher above the water surface,sea level rise.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

you'd be surprised how many people will survive. people act like if the power goes off the world will end. electric service started in america in 1882, but didn't become widespread until the 1920s. people lived for a long time with no electricity. they can still do it when forced. they lived for a long time with no computer, no amazon, no cell phones, no automobiles, no planes....people can do without a lot....and they were healthier and happier for a lot of it

 

[ttystikk]

Maybe the tribe on North Sentinel Island had the right idea all along; keep outsiders out by any means necessary.

 

[captainmorgan]

Wasn't life expectancy about 40 in 1880?