Four dead in shooting at newspaper building in Maryland, suspect in custody

[Andrewk420]

The gun bill restricts the sale of certain shotguns, rifle and hand guns to the general public. Nothing in the 2018 assault weapons ban is actually about taking guns away already owned by peaceful people.

Again, the bill is symbolic. I't not going to pass. Yes, if it did pass, sales going forward will be restricted, yes, better background checks, yes, some additional people will be added to the "can't purchase" list. Draconian take ban ownership of guns is not on this symbolic bill.

The "take gunz away" bit is not part of the discussion except by fear mongers.

What do we do about people who own weapons and passed a background check at the time but wouldn't under a new law (if one were to pass obviously)?

I'm not really trying to argue now, because it sounds like we agree for the most part. I'm just curious about what that looks like in your mind.

 

[Fogdog]

Of course not- I think you're missing the point here



It would be banned by dint of it's having a removable 3-round magazine, while a semi-automatic shotgun with a 5-round tubular magazine would not. This is what happens when people who don't know shit about guns try to craft gun legislation, that's all I'm saying.

The bill grandfathers in existing weapons. Your shotgun is safe.

Yes, the mosly symbolic 2018 Automatic Weapons Ban is a knee jerk bill. It would be nice if we had some science behind the writing of this bill but science was legislated out of the discussion by gun advocates. Gun advocates have been throttling funds for even doing research into what will be most effective at bringing down rates of gun deaths.

What I find disappointing is that gun owners simply shut down and refuse to even discuss what to do rather than take ownership for the violence guns have in this society. Mumbling stuff about "cold dead hands" is the argument of the NRA to scare people into inaction.

I don't own any guns. The majority in the US are not gun owners like me. We will eventually take action if gun owners don't. I can guarantee you that you won't like the legislation I'd put in place and suggest gun owners would best protect their rights if they took ownership for bringing down rates of gun related injury and death.

Except for suicide. I'm OK with the rates of suicide by gun owners.

Edit: The bill doesn't apply to bolt action firearms. The prohibition does not apply to a firearm that is: (1) manually operated by bolt, pump, lever, or slide action; (2) permanently inoperable; (3) an antique; or (4) a rifle or shotgun specifically identified by make and model.

 

[Sour Wreck]

My old Stevens bolt-action 20ga. had a detachable 3-round magazine

Might as well ban quivers that hold more than 3 arrows

3 arrows, wtf...?

but seriously, 3 arrows is all i carry, unless i'm hog hunting.

 

[Sour Wreck]

So as a result we should continue to sell semi-automatic rifles that fire as fast as you can pull the trigger with 30 clip magazines?

What does your beloved rational and reasonable 20 ga. with three-round fixed chamber hunting shotgun have to do with this?

ar-15s can actually be fired faster than a finger can pull the trigger

 

[Andrewk420]

I agree with that the CDC should be able to study gun violence and come up with reliable statistics and research. There's really zero excuse.

The NRA should also be discredited and not allowed to lobby.

But for me, it always comes back to tyranny and authoritarianism. I understand and agree with the principles of stopping gun violence, but that also has to include gun violence by our own government.

 

[Andrewk420]

3 arrows, wtf...?

but seriously, 3 arrows is all i carry, unless i'm hog hunting.

I've been deer hunting with a bow for a long time and honestly, I could have gone with no quiver and one arrow knocked 90% of the time. Taking a full quiver into the woods always seemed overly optimistic.

Or maybe I'm just a bad hunter!

 

[Fogdog]

What do we do about people who own weapons and passed a background check at the time but wouldn't under a new law (if one were to pass obviously)?

I'm not really trying to argue now, because it sounds like we agree for the most part. I'm just curious about what that looks like in your mind.

Nobody wants to talk about the bill, so let's forget about the bill. It's symbolic anyway. So, I'll just speak off the top of my head without referring to what experts say, just like everybody else is doing here.

I'd prefer that gun owners be regularly certified to own a gun by taking and passing course on firearms that includes a proficiency test for the safe use, maintenance and storage of their weapons. As a part of that certification, they should pass a background check. I'd prefer the certification interval be on the order of every 5 years. A background check should be done every time a fire arm is purchased.

I'd prefer that a Congress endorse a well funded effort to purge the gun background check national database of errors and correct omissions. I'd prefer that the interval for background checks be extended from 3 days to 30 days. Also, anybody with a conviction for abuse or violence of any type should not be allowed to own a gun. We can talk about how long after the conviction before reinstating the right to own. Would 10 years be too long?

I think every legally owned gun should be registered. Possessing an unregistered gun should carry a heavy liability. Sale or transfer of ownership of each and every gun should be tracked going forward.

I'd prefer that the US take a good look at what Canada is doing and use their system wherever practical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Canada

 

[Andrewk420]

Nobody wants to talk about the bill, so let's forget about the bill. It's symbolic anyway. So, I'll just speak off the top of my head without referring to what experts say, just like everybody else is doing here.

I'd prefer that gun owners be regularly certified to own a gun by taking and passing course on firearms that includes a proficiency test for the safe use, maintenance and storage of their weapons. As a part of that certification, they should pass a background check. I'd prefer the certification interval be on the order of every 5 years. A background check should be done every time a fire arm is purchased.

I'd prefer that a Congress endorse a well funded effort to purge the gun background check national database of errors and correct omissions. I'd prefer that the interval for background checks be extended from 3 days to 30 days. Also, anybody with a conviction for abuse or violence of any type should not be allowed to own a gun. We can talk about how long after the conviction before reinstating the right to own. Would 10 years be too long?

I think every legally owned gun should be registered. Possessing an unregistered gun should carry a heavy liability. Sale or transfer of ownership of each and every gun should be tracked going forward.

I'd prefer that the US take a good look at what Canada is doing and use their system wherever practical.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_Canada

I can't really disagree with any of that.

 

[Fogdog]

ar-15s can actually be fired faster than a finger can pull the trigger

OK, so we should ban the sale of guns that can be fired fast.

What you gun owners don't seem to get is that people who don't own guns don't give a shit about this tech. We just want your toys to be pointed only at targets or in actual self defense. Is that too much to ask?

 

[Fogdog]

I can't really disagree with any of that.

So why did you bring up the "take gunz away"? I never said it and never intended to.

By the way, I don't think what I said will stop all gun violence. We need better research into non-regulatory means of ending this carnage.

 

[Andrewk420]

So why did you bring up the "take gunz away"? I never said it and never intended to.

By the way, I don't think what I said will stop all gun violence. We need better research into non-regulatory means of ending this carnage.

Because when you talk about banning guns of any kind (which is still what that bill is, even though you brought it up and then threw it out), that's where the conversation goes. It may get buried or brushed over in the name of compromise, but that's where it ultimately leads. It's a little "pie in the sky" to think it doesn't.

I understand that you don't like guns and I can sense your disdain for gun owners in your rhetoric. But your personal bias or feelings shouldn't infringe on the will or rights of the people, even if you think "the majority is like you".

 

[Fogdog]

Because when you talk about banning guns of any kind (which is still what that bill is, even though you brought it up and then threw it out), that's where the conversation goes. It may get buried or brushed over in the name of compromise, but that's where it ultimately leads. It's a little "pie in the sky" to think it doesn't.

I understand that you don't like guns and I can sense your disdain for gun owners in your rhetoric. But your personal bias or feelings shouldn't infringe on the will or rights of the people, even if you think "the majority is like you".

Agree. It is the "2018 Assault Weapons Ban". It's a bad name.

I don't have any feeling whatsoever about people for owning guns. I am disappointed by how gun owners fail to take ownership for reducing injury and death by their toys. It's as if car drivers didn't have any responsibility for reducing deaths due to car accidents.

I don't own a gun and so am in no way responsible for gun deaths. Yet, gun owners keep sitting on the sidelines complaining about possible legislation without stepping up to help solve the problem.

People like me will eventually write the laws that gun owners should have written themselves. This is so wrong headed but I don't know how anybody can expect the situation to remain as is. If gun owners continue to avoid their responsibility, the 60% or so families in this country that don't own guns will write gun control laws Gun owners pushed this issue into my lap. I didn't want to have anything to do about it. I became involved the day my 7 year old kid had nightmares after his school had a "suspected shooter on campus drill". Fuck that.

 

[Sir Napsalot]

I think every legally owned gun should be registered.

My wife's .22 rifle would be hard to register as it has no serial number

 

[Andrewk420]

Agreed @Fogdog, but the NRA is so far up the defense industries ass that even if the knuckleheads who were memberd did want what we're talking about, they wouldn't lobby for it.

And unfortunately a lot of gun owners are NRA members.

 

[Fogdog]

Agreed @Fogdog, but the NRA is so far up the defense industries ass that even if the knuckleheads who were memberd did want what we're talking about, they wouldn't lobby for it.

And unfortunately a lot of gun owners are NRA members.

Unfortunately a lot of NRA members will be unhappy about what non-gun owners eventually shove down their throats.

I'm under no false belief this will be easy or happen soon. Its my guess that another 50,000 will die over the ten years it takes to overcome the opposition.

My wife's .22 rifle would be hard to register as it has no serial number

Say goodbye to your wife.

just kidding.

 

[Sour Wreck]

My wife's .22 rifle would be hard to register as it has no serial number

no serial numbers guns are the best. better to fuck up republicans with.

 

[Sir Napsalot]

My wife's .22 rifle is perfectly legal- rimfire rifles manufactured before 1966 didn't need a serial number

 

[Unclebaldrick]

no serial numbers guns are the best. better to fuck up republicans with.

Actually, the best ones are their own. It won't come to that.

 

[ttystikk]

5 dead and they were serving the public, keeping their readers informed.

Does MD have the death penalty?

 

[peabody2018]

I'm sure it will end up being a orange turd supporter and he did it to stop fake news.

And another libtard trying to blame Trump