Renewable Energy + Battery Storage = Fossil Fuels Obsolete, Even Natural Gas

[ttystikk]

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/7/13/17551878/natural-gas-markets-renewable-energy

This article is long and wonkish, but Vox.com does a great job of explaining how and why we may have already arrived at the promised Land of cheaper renewables than fossil fuel fired energy.

This is welcome news in an era of right wing coal boosterism and revelations that enough natural gas is leaked between production and distribution to render its climate change advantage moot.

Another big surprise is just how expensive consumer rooftop solar is compared to other renewable energy options. I suspect this has much to do with the cost of retrofitting such systems to existing homes, where integrating solar in new home designs would be cheaper.

For those wondering how we'll power all those electric cars that are coming, the answer is blowing in the wind...

 

[Bugeye]

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/7/13/17551878/natural-gas-markets-renewable-energy

This article is long and wonkish, but Vox.com does a great job of explaining how and why we may have already arrived at the promised Land of cheaper renewables than fossil fuel fired energy.

This is welcome news in an era of right wing coal boosterism and revelations that enough natural gas is leaked between production and distribution to render its climate change advantage moot.

Another big surprise is just how expensive consumer rooftop solar is compared to other renewable energy options. I suspect this has much to do with the cost of retrofitting such systems to existing homes, where integrating solar in new home designs would be cheaper.

For those wondering how we'll power all those electric cars that are coming, the answer is blowing in the wind...

Well that's bad news for the birds.

 

[UncleBuck]

Well that's bad news for the birds.

oh, the white supremacist guy is suddenly an environmentalist now.

 

[ttystikk]

Well that's bad news for the birds.

Fortunately, solar is even cheaper.

I hear you about the birds. Shall we continue destroying their habitat through global warming instead? That's not meant to be snarky, it's a very real choice.

 

[ttystikk]

oh, the white supremacist guy is suddenly an environmentalist now.

Lol

Trust you to find the white supremacist pedophile meth addict hiding under a solar panel.

 

[SneekyNinja]

Someone mentions wind power and people leap forward talking about the fucking birds...

You know what kills millions of birds and other animals?

Fossil fuel exploration and extraction.

But the odd bird gets Darwin'd by a wind turbine and they're sobbing like fucking babies.

 

[captainmorgan]

We need to ban cars too, have you seen all the road kill.

 

[schuylaar]

Someone mentions wind power and people leap forward talking about the fucking birds...

You know what kills millions of birds and other animals?

Fossil fuel exploration and extraction.

But the odd bird gets Darwin'd by a wind turbine and they're sobbing like fucking babies.

or @kelly4 running over baby bunnies on the golf course..wonder if he sets fires? @UncleBuck?

 

[choomer]

Someone mentions wind power and people leap forward talking about the fucking birds...

You know what kills millions of birds and other animals?

Fossil fuel exploration and extraction.

But the odd bird gets Darwin'd by a wind turbine and they're sobbing like fucking babies.

 

[captainmorgan]

 

[UncleBuck]

another nazi turned sudden environmentalist!

wow!

 

[ginjawarrior]

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/7/13/17551878/natural-gas-markets-renewable-energy

This article is long and wonkish, but Vox.com does a great job of explaining how and why we may have already arrived at the promised Land of cheaper renewables than fossil fuel fired energy.

This is welcome news in an era of right wing coal boosterism and revelations that enough natural gas is leaked between production and distribution to render its climate change advantage moot.

Another big surprise is just how expensive consumer rooftop solar is compared to other renewable energy options. I suspect this has much to do with the cost of retrofitting such systems to existing homes, where integrating solar in new home designs would be cheaper.

For those wondering how we'll power all those electric cars that are coming, the answer is blowing in the wind...

roof top solar wouldnt even come close to supplying the usa with all its power needs

you'd need an area equivalent to the state of arizona to power the usa with solar

and you would need an area equivalent to the state of california to power the usa with wind

"cheap" isnt the whole equation..

 

[torontoke]

https://www.vox.com/energy-and-environment/2018/7/13/17551878/natural-gas-markets-renewable-energy

This article is long and wonkish, but Vox.com does a great job of explaining how and why we may have already arrived at the promised Land of cheaper renewables than fossil fuel fired energy.

This is welcome news in an era of right wing coal boosterism and revelations that enough natural gas is leaked between production and distribution to render its climate change advantage moot.

Another big surprise is just how expensive consumer rooftop solar is compared to other renewable energy options. I suspect this has much to do with the cost of retrofitting such systems to existing homes, where integrating solar in new home designs would be cheaper.

For those wondering how we'll power all those electric cars that are coming, the answer is blowing in the wind...

It’s not really the retrofitting that is expensive it’s the storage for use during night time or non peak sun hours.
Battery tech hasn’t really advanced as much as everyone thinks.
And with the new products that are continuing to come out like solar generating windows roof tiles and even paint products, you no longer need to cover your roof in old clunky tech panels.

Most green energy neutral homes now utilize 2 or 3 energy sources and that will be the wave of the future imo.
And speaking of waves I suspect in a few years most of the larger cities will be powered by the ocean and rivers
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fastcompany.com/3020028/could-these-little-tubes-be-the-secret-to-capturing-the-oceans-energy

 

[SneekyNinja]

roof top solar wouldnt even come close to supplying the usa with all its power needs

you'd need an area equivalent to the state of arizona to power the usa with solar

and you would need an area equivalent to the state of california to power the usa with wind

"cheap" isnt the whole equation..

Let me guess...

Nuclear fission is your solution?

 

[ttystikk]

roof top solar wouldnt even come close to supplying the usa with all its power needs

you'd need an area equivalent to the state of arizona to power the usa with solar

and you would need an area equivalent to the state of california to power the usa with wind

"cheap" isnt the whole equation..

Read the article, THEN comment.

Rooftop solar is actually the most expensive option.

Its main advantage is that we aren't doing anything else with the real estate.

 

[ttystikk]

It’s not really the retrofitting that is expensive it’s the storage for use during night time or non peak sun hours.
Battery tech hasn’t really advanced as much as everyone thinks.
And with the new products that are continuing to come out like solar generating windows roof tiles and even paint products, you no longer need to cover your roof in old clunky tech panels.

Most green energy neutral homes now utilize 2 or 3 energy sources and that will be the wave of the future imo.
And speaking of waves I suspect in a few years most of the larger cities will be powered by the ocean and rivers
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.fastcompany.com/3020028/could-these-little-tubes-be-the-secret-to-capturing-the-oceans-energy

Battery tech hasn't advanced much but it has gotten a lot cheaper. That's good enough...

 

[SneekyNinja]

Read the article, THEN comment.

Rooftop solar is actually the most expensive option.

Its main advantage is that we aren't doing anything else with the real estate.

When talking with him, unless your answer is "loads more nuclear plants", then you're wrong.

Battery tech hasn't advanced much but it has gotten a lot cheaper. That's good enough...

4000mAh 18650s imply they have advanced quite significantly.

2000mAh in a single cell was considering ground-breaking 10 years ago.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Read the article, THEN comment.

Rooftop solar is actually the most expensive option.

Its main advantage is that we aren't doing anything else with the real estate.

Yeah you might not be doing anything with the real estate...

Nature tho is already using that real estate. It is already stressed from our intrusion on the land coupled with climate change.

Looking at the land as a blank slate to impose our will on is excatly what got us into this mess in the first place.

 

[ginjawarrior]

Let me guess...

Nuclear fission is your solution?

better than the naive pipe dreams you guys have

 

[torontoke]

Battery tech hasn't advanced much but it has gotten a lot cheaper. That's good enough...

Might be cheaper but it’s possibly not even necessary. Most companies that quote alternate energy recommend at least two days storage capacity which for the average household without a grow is $8-10k

When talking with him, unless your answer is "loads more nuclear plants", then you're wrong.


4000mAh 18650s imply they have advanced quite significantly.

2000mAh in a single cell was considering ground-breaking 10 years ago.

Wouldn’t that be considered just efficient use of the same tech?
And how exactly has the lifespan of the batteries changed? Do they last twice as long or are they like every other battery designed and each time they are depleted and recharged they lose a percentage of capacity.

better than the naive pipe dreams you guys have

Lol on one hand you are worried bout mans intrusion and the next post you’re pushing nuclear