Who Is The Best Seed Breeder?

[Sunbiz1]

Paradise Seeds White Berry if you want uniformity in your seeds. Sannies had a Jackberry F4, along with some other worked lines. You are looking for IBL, which no one seems to have time for these days. Unfortunately for you, the majority of the seeds available on the market these days are F1 polyhybrids, and you are going to have to hunt through packs to find keepers. Good luck!

Sannie was my second breeder, after Peak(whose NL I liked but is not available un-crossed).
Hopefully I get lucky on the 3 beans I just popped, which was all I had left.
It's a Jamaican haze back-crossed to NL by Cannabiogen, loved it a few years back but lost the clones. Nice daytime smoke testing at 20%, and huge buds.
And little variation in phenotype.

 

[rollinfunk]

I wouldn’t pick any of them. Lol
CSI, karma, delicious seeds, dominion seed co, coastal seeds, bodhi, motarebel, hazeman, top dawg, madd farmer, strayfox, greenpoint (stardawg crosses), snow high, gooeybreeder, bad dog

 

[Adam Tripper]

Sannie was my second breeder, after Peak (whose NL I liked but is not available un-crossed).

PeakseedsBC does have the uncrossed NL available as you see below:

 

[Montuno]

I'll list as many as I can, I'm really looking for opinions on this. It's a Big deal for someone wanting a legal buisness in growing. If I didn't mention the one please post and tell me why you choose them. That said, please CHOOSE YOUR FAVORITE.

Have A Good One

I love the work of the breeders DjShort, Kaiki aka C. Garcia in Cannabiogen, and Mario B. in Original Delicatessen.

 

[Shua1991]

Ace seeds is probably my favorite breeder, based purely on results, and the breeder's are very vocal and respond timely to their customers, (on icmag's site they have a ace seeds forum, with constant discussion and updates.) Which is always a plus.

 

[Montuno]

Ace seeds is probably my favorite breeder, based purely on results, and the breeder's are very vocal and respond timely to their customers, (on icmag's site they have a ace seeds forum, with constant discussion and updates.) Which is always a plus.

Yeah.
But anyway Kaiki (Cannabiogen) has done a lot of the first "breedding work" with several A.C.E. strains, too. (In the beggining, CannaBioGen & A.C.E. were united).

 

[Herb & Suds]

Reserve Privada

 

[Shua1991]

Yeah.
But anyway Kaiki (Cannabiogen) has done a lot of the first "breedding work" with several A.C.E. strains, too. (In the beggining, CannaBioGen & A.C.E. were united).

Yea, I kinda see them as under the same banner, personally, I like Ace's selection because it preserves a whole lot of landrace genetics, but cannabiogen and ace share several genetics like the Pakistan chitral kush, Nepalese/Jamaican (Nepaljam), bangi haze, Panamanian sativa, and others. If iirecall correctly, they teamed up to make golden tiger (Thai x Malawi) I love their work, I haven't grown a bad variety from Ace, and I'm willing to say, cannabiogen's varieties are either identical, or too similar to distinguish.

 

[Moldy]

PeakseedsBC does have the uncrossed NL available as you see below:

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Their strains are usually very vigorous with many females from past experience.

 

[Thor’s hammer]

some that I like are:

Dynasty
Bodhi
In house
Exotic genetix
Irie
Hso
Johnstons
Cannaventure
Jordan of the islands

 

[GroErr]

Best consistent breeders ime have been TGA, ACE, Cannabiogen, and Pyramid Seeds. Have found some gold in the odd other but the breeders listed have provided some fire, quality flavours and stable genetics.

 

[Sunbiz1]

some that I like are:

Dynasty
Bodhi
In house
Exotic genetix
Irie
Hso
Johnstons
Cannaventure
Jordan of the islands

Bodhi is great for 1 run, from seed. I am very, very good at cloning; but their F1's or 2's suffer from genetic drift in a hurry when it comes to cuttings.

 

[jayblaze710]

Bodhi is great for 1 run, from seed. I am very, very good at cloning; but their F1's or 2's suffer from genetic drift in a hurry when it comes to cuttings.

That’s funny, cuz there are a ton of Bodhi cuts floating around NorCal. And genetic drift doesn’t mean what you think it means.

 

[Sunbiz1]

That’s funny, cuz there are a ton of Bodhi cuts floating around NorCal. And genetic drift doesn’t mean what you think it means.

I've read several dissertations on this topic, along with running side by side comparisons utilizing other breeders work.
Successive cloning on both Bodhi strains did not produce the same results as their competitors.
And, their phone home was not all that great to begin with from seed. The granola funk was good enough to run again from seed again.
But I won't be cloning it a second time, as even the first generation lost some desired traits...mainly potency/smell.

Perhaps we should begin a new thread on drift/how environmental factors influence this. I'd certainly like to know more.

 

[Shua1991]

I've read several dissertations on this topic, along with running side by side comparisons utilizing other breeders work.
Successive cloning on both Bodhi strains did not produce the same results as their competitors.
And, their phone home was not all that great to begin with from seed. The granola funk was good enough to run again from seed again.
But I won't be cloning it a second time, as even the first generation lost some desired traits...mainly potency/smell.

Perhaps we should begin a new thread on drift/how environmental factors influence this. I'd certainly like to know more.

I've never noticed this, genetic drift, as you mentioned earlier, are you saying that you wind up with differing phenotypes on the same genotype(clone) after you harvest it once?

 

[jayblaze710]

I've read several dissertations on this topic, along with running side by side comparisons utilizing other breeders work.
Successive cloning on both Bodhi strains did not produce the same results as their competitors.
And, their phone home was not all that great to begin with from seed. The granola funk was good enough to run again from seed again.
But I won't be cloning it a second time, as even the first generation lost some desired traits...mainly potency/smell.

Perhaps we should begin a new thread on drift/how environmental factors influence this. I'd certainly like to know more.

Dissertations, really? Didn’t realize people were doing scientific research on Bodhi cross clone viability over time.

Goji is everywhere and constantly used in crosses. There’s a supremely potent cut of Black Triangle floating around. Kevin Jodrey has a cut of Hollyweed he sells and sings the praises of. I’m a Bodhi junky and I’ve literally never heard their clones degrade over time. Also, it doesn’t make a lot of sense since Bodhi uses an extremely diverse gene pool, more than most breeders.

Genetic drift is a term from population genetics describing the tendency for populations to experience increased homozygosity over time even without external selective pressure. People mention it all the time in reference to clones, but it’s completely unrelated.

 

[reallybigjesusfreak]

Lol at Barneys. Why is Duke not even on the list?

edit: I realized this now but the post is from 2013, and I was not growing then so I cannot say how relevant he was in 2013. So my bad. STill, lol barneys.

 

[Sunbiz1]

Dissertations, really? Didn’t realize people were doing scientific research on Bodhi cross clone viability over time.

Goji is everywhere and constantly used in crosses. There’s a supremely potent cut of Black Triangle floating around. Kevin Jodrey has a cut of Hollyweed he sells and sings the praises of. I’m a Bodhi junky and I’ve literally never heard their clones degrade over time. Also, it doesn’t make a lot of sense since Bodhi uses an extremely diverse gene pool, more than most breeders.

Genetic drift is a term from population genetics describing the tendency for populations to experience increased homozygosity over time even without external selective pressure. People mention it all the time in reference to clones, but it’s completely unrelated.

The shortest of the articles I have read, in an attempt to figure it out:
http://www.cannabisindustryinstitute.com/news/unlocking-mysteries-genetic-drift/

Last paragraph was not encouraging. For the record, every strain I've ran from every breeder eventually fell victim.
It generally takes a year to notice the dropoff, happened faster w/those 2 Bodhi strains for some reason.
Perhaps they somehow modify their beans, so one has to keep purchasing.
Joking of course.

 

[Growitpondifarm]

The shortest of the articles I have read, in an attempt to figure it out:
http://www.cannabisindustryinstitute.com/news/unlocking-mysteries-genetic-drift/

Last paragraph was not encouraging. For the record, every strain I've ran from every breeder eventually fell victim.
It generally takes a year to notice the dropoff, happened faster w/those 2 Bodhi strains for some reason.
Perhaps they somehow modify their beans, so one has to keep purchasing.
Joking of course.

Romulan is over 40 years old and still being passed around, not to mention chem 91 is one of most sought after cuts going...I’m not sure if you’re taking clones of sick mother plants or something but the whole industry/gene pool is pretty much built on clones 10+ year old

 

[jayblaze710]

The shortest of the articles I have read, in an attempt to figure it out:
http://www.cannabisindustryinstitute.com/news/unlocking-mysteries-genetic-drift/

Last paragraph was not encouraging. For the record, every strain I've ran from every breeder eventually fell victim.
It generally takes a year to notice the dropoff, happened faster w/those 2 Bodhi strains for some reason.
Perhaps they somehow modify their beans, so one has to keep purchasing.
Joking of course.

This article has nothing to do with genetic drift. That they used it in their article shows how uneducated on the topic they are.

Some mother plants can become “dudded” over time. They just get super shitty. But it’s not common, and it’s likely some sort of systemic infection that presents itself. It’s isolated to the specific plant, and if you get a new cut from a healthy mother it’s fine. Nobody knows what causes it, nor how to fix it. People don’t like to talk about it, but anyone with lots of cuts has likely run into it. The only cut I’ve heard of with specific “dudded” problem is GG4. In that case, people likely kept taking cuts from a dudded mother plant, which led to a lot of people with shitty GG4 plants.

If you’re finding reduced vigor or results from cuts, it might be your grow conditions. I’ve only heard of cuts getting better, not worse.

As already mentioned, the most desirable cuts are all decades old. Chem91 skva is probably the most desired cut. Some people say it doesn’t smell as strong as it used to, but Skunk VA still runs it and is more than happy with it. Romulan has apparently been around since the 60’s. Purple Urkle, OGs, and all the SoCal Kush cuts have been around since the 90s. If cuts get worse over time, it’s the scale of decades before effects are noticeable, not a couple years.

Also, for a non-cannabis example, every single banana sold in the US since the 50s comes from the same cloned plant.