How can we achieve a living wage?

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schuylaar

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Budley Doright said:
So just to clarify. You think taxes should be abolished and you classify them as theft? I just want to be clear. Can you clarify how things would work re infrastructure, etc. in this utopia please.
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you don't know what you're asking..i love rob, but i'm getting my raincoat and boots on..just think 'lord of the flies'.
 
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schuylaar

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Buddha2525 said:
What is this "progressive?" There isn't really a left or right. There's only the correct way.

While workers rights is a proper goal, unions aren't the answer. They are yet another cog in the capitalist system, where the unions are a fake workers rights, who are still at the heels of their masters. While union mob bosses get paid during a union strike, the poor workers get nothing. Scabs work anyway. Production continues.

Besides those criticisms, you're forced to take the ideals of the union. If you're against exploitation of undocumented workers, but your employer has a deal with the union, as a partner in the Federal E-Verify program, that union has every right to force your name on a list in support of ratting on undocumented. The same if you're part of a religious institution with a union against abortion, or same sex marriage.

Another bad thing about unions, is their dues and excessive requirements for joining. Like the Screen Actor's Guild. Pretty much you have to be a producer's whore, literally, or get three of these golden tickets which are randomly handed out as an extra Then the one time join fee and annual dues are outrageous. So you're a starving inspiring actor, who pays your life blood, for the mere privilege of letting us help you. Many unions are no better, and some ways worse than the Mafia.

So no, I am 100% against unions. But I am 100% in favor of worker cooperatives and workers getting employee stock ownership plans as a step closer towards worker's rights.
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agreed but the flip is right to work state..who came up with that idea?

the definition is bolded on page one 'letter from CEO' on my employee handbook..doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies..pass that along to those you work for.

page one; bolded.

you can also let them know that while this may be true; doesn't make it legal..quick trip to the labor board or employment attorney..even simple google will give you info.

employees don't like being threatened..that's how companies manage now.
 
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Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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schuylaar said:
teachers in McMansions..'it's okay you can refi in a year or two'.
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I think the dream of buying a house as equity that will increase over time is valid and I’ve done it. But as stated by others, lots were using this easy money to buy other things outside of housing, or yes a giganto house as well. Hard to live in the back of a car when you lose the house. I know, I lived in a 1970 Ventura for a few weeks after leaving home to go to the big city lol.
 
Buddha2525

Buddha2525

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schuylaar said:
agreed but the flip is right to work state..who came up with that idea?

the definition is bolded on page one 'letter from CEO' on my employee handbook..doesn't give me the warm and fuzzies..pass that along to those you work for.

employees don't like being threatened.
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I think you mean the hypocritical stance where you're given the "right to get fired states."

There shouldn't be screwed if you do and screwed if you don't, as the only options.

The solution is what used to be in Japan, where you're with an employer from cradle to grave. If you're fired, it better be for a damn good reason, which becomes a huge scandal. But that's happening less and less, now that capitalist propaganda has replaced employer honor.

A middle way must be found.
 
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schuylaar

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Buddha2525 said:
I think you mean the hypocritical stance where you're given the "right to get fired states."

There shouldn't be screwed if you do and screwed if you don't, as the only options.

The solution is what used to be in Japan, where you're with an employer from cradle to grave. If you're fired, it better be for a damn good reason, which becomes a huge scandal. But that's happening less and less, now that capitalist propaganda has replaced employer honor.

A middle way must be found.
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it used to be that way here but so many were taking pensions and cooking the books..enter Social Security.

my grandfather an immigrant who came through Ellis Island during WW2 worked for a molding company from hire to retire..when i graduated high school i gad a good full time job at a CpA firm benefits car apartment etc..enter St. Reagan..the only trickle down that came out of it was when the russian hooker peed on trumps face.
 
Grandpapy

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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Budley Doright said:
I agree that all workers should have collective bargaining, perhaps a state wide unit for convenience stores (as an example) that have few or part time help. As for the progressives being th only ones backing organizing I can’t answer that. As a person who switched to management I see a lot of shit happening I would never agreed to or did back in the day but I also see techs being hired that are not techs but more door to door sales, and happy to be working, even with the shit :(.
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Right now corporations have all the bargaining power and the results are to be expected.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Buddha2525 said:
What is this "progressive?" There isn't really a left or right. There's only the correct way.

While workers rights is a proper goal, unions aren't the answer. They are yet another cog in the capitalist system, where the unions are a fake workers rights, who are still at the heels of their masters. While union mob bosses get paid during a union strike, the poor workers get nothing. Scabs work anyway. Production continues.

Besides those criticisms, you're forced to take the ideals of the union. If you're against exploitation of undocumented workers, but your employer has a deal with the union, as a partner in the Federal E-Verify program, that union has every right to force your name on a list in support of ratting on undocumented. The same if you're part of a religious institution with a union against abortion, or same sex marriage.

Another bad thing about unions, is their dues and excessive requirements for joining. Like the Screen Actor's Guild. Pretty much you have to be a producer's whore, literally, or get three of these golden tickets which are randomly handed out as an extra Then the one time join fee and annual dues are outrageous. So you're a starving inspiring actor, who pays your life blood, for the mere privilege of letting us help you. Many unions are no better, and some ways worse than the Mafia.

So no, I am 100% against unions. But I am 100% in favor of worker cooperatives and workers getting employee stock ownership plans as a step closer towards worker's rights.
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This is drivel.

Unions bad but collectives good?

Please get an education about labor issues before commenting next time.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Rob Roy said:
So, in this "free college" where would you get the money to pay the instructors and for the infrastructure ?

Also, if a person didn't want to pay for something for another person, are you okay with taking a gun to them and making them pay for things you like, but they don't care for ? Just curious.
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If you got a college education you might not be so fixated on these tired and discredited tropes of yours.

It would be worth it just to see you quit wasting so many column inches on your stupidity.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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abalonehx said:
It's not our imaginations that the gap keeps widening and the 1% get all the wealth and benefits in the end.
This entire administration is ....no, this entire party..of Republicans is complicit and corrupt.
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Don't kid yourself. The Democratic Party is a willing enabler of the very same thing.
 
jimihendrix1

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Business
July US budget deficit nearly doubles from last year
Despite stronger-than-predicted economic growth ahead, the CBO said the deficit will grow to $804 billion in fiscal 2018, which ends on Sept. 30, up from $665 billion in fiscal 2017. The deficit is how much Washington’s spending exceeds its revenues.

CBO forecast 3.3 percent growth in 2018 in gross domestic product, a broad measure of the economy, and 2.4 percent GDP growth in 2019.

In the next few years, deficits will “grow substantially” before stabilizing in 2023, resulting in a projected cumulative deficit of $11.7 trillion for 2018-2027, the CBO said.


2014
The Budget Deficit Fell to It's Lowest Level Under OBAMA.

The Budget Deficit Just Fell To Its Lowest Level Under Obama
The US budget deficit fell to about $483 billion in fiscal year 2014, almost a $200 billion drop from the previous year and the lowest level of President Barack Obama's six years in office.

The US Treasury Department released the official figures on Wednesday, generally confirming figures released by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office last week. It's the smallest deficit recorded since 2008.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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jimihendrix1 said:
Business
July US budget deficit nearly doubles from last year
Despite stronger-than-predicted economic growth ahead, the CBO said the deficit will grow to $804 billion in fiscal 2018, which ends on Sept. 30, up from $665 billion in fiscal 2017. The deficit is how much Washington’s spending exceeds its revenues.

CBO forecast 3.3 percent growth in 2018 in gross domestic product, a broad measure of the economy, and 2.4 percent GDP growth in 2019.

In the next few years, deficits will “grow substantially” before stabilizing in 2023, resulting in a projected cumulative deficit of $11.7 trillion for 2018-2027, the CBO said.


2014
The Budget Deficit Fell to It's Lowest Level Under OBAMA.

The Budget Deficit Just Fell To Its Lowest Level Under Obama
The US budget deficit fell to about $483 billion in fiscal year 2014, almost a $200 billion drop from the previous year and the lowest level of President Barack Obama's six years in office.

The US Treasury Department released the official figures on Wednesday, generally confirming figures released by the nonpartisan Congressional Budget Office last week. It's the smallest deficit recorded since 2008.
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Wait for it, they will blame Democrats for the deficit and national debt this time next year.
 
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schuylaar

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Budley Doright said:
I think the dream of buying a house as equity that will increase over time is valid and I’ve done it. But as stated by others, lots were using this easy money to buy other things outside of housing, or yes a giganto house as well. Hard to live in the back of a car when you lose the house. I know, I lived in a 1970 Ventura for a few weeks after leaving home to go to the big city lol.
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greedy banker and mortgage brokers were to blame..they would get the prospect approved on 'non-stated'. it's actually against the law to misrepresent the prospects financial status; that was their workaround.
 
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