Mega Crop for Coco?

[kinnyg1234]

Probably related to the balance between Iron Mag and Calcium, could be pH, could be salt buildup, could be, umm, excessive Boron maybe?

Not salt buildup, ph is 5.8-6.0... " related to the balance between Iron Mag and Calcium" yes I know that is why I asked my initial question, which I am not sure if you read.. Excessive boron... ok respectfully I am not sure you are the guy to ask.

Maybe someone else has an idea?

 

[Michael Huntherz]

Not salt buildup, ph is 5.8-6.0... " related to the balance between Iron Mag and Calcium" yes I know that is why I asked my initial question, which I am not sure if you read.. Excessive boron... ok respectfully I am not sure you are the guy to ask.

Maybe someone else has an idea?

The boron thing was a stretch, but can present as Mag def. Your pH is probably too low, or there’s an unreported factor. Thanks for being an askhole.

I am definitely not the guy to ask. I am dumb and my weed sucks. Also, I don’t like you.

Please note, you have been placed on “ignore.”

 

[1212ham]

I was just going to ask you about ph and these charts...... https://www.growweedeasy.com/ph

 

[kinnyg1234]

The boron thing was a stretch, but can present as Mag def. Your pH is probably too low, or there’s an unreported factor. Thanks for being an askhole.

I am definitely not the guy to ask. I am dumb and my weed sucks. Also, I don’t like you.

Please note, you have been placed on “ignore.”

Talk about ego.

The Question was intended for users of Mega in Coco. Would Anyone tell me what strength you are using in coco and if you can get away without calmag. -Sincere Thanks!

 

[Michael Huntherz]

I was just going to ask you about ph and these charts...... https://www.growweedeasy.com/ph

Those charts work okay, but the specifics of your nutrient system and water source’s calcium hardness, among other factors, could play a role. The base nutrient I use is effective up to a pH of 8.0 for hydroponics, which includes coco dtw. There is no magic bullet.

Those charts are a great baseline for most popular systems, but I think the hydro pH is generally represented a bit on the low side. Shoot for 6.0 in hydro/coco and 7.0 in soil, is my rule of thumb.

 

[1212ham]

Your pH is probably too low, or there’s an unreported factor.

I thought I had a cal/mag deficiency with MC in coco... then I looked at the charts.... then I measured run-off ph.... it was LOW!

 

[Michael Huntherz]

I thought I had a cal/mag deficiency with MC in coco... then I looked at the charts.... then I measured run-off ph.... it was LOW!

pH from run-off can be deceiving, but you may benefit from flushing them a bit with some plain 7.0 water. I run plain water for a few days twice per run in dtw coco.

 

[1212ham]

Did that, but it's chop time anyway. Any idea why my runoff ph would have gotten down to 5.2-5.5 with coco/perlite in a hempy bucket?

 

[Michael Huntherz]

Did that, but it's chop time anyway. Any idea why my runoff ph would have gotten down to 5.2-5.5 with coco/perlite in a hempy bucket?

No, no idea, I have never measured runoff. N or P excess would be my guesses, but I would concentrate on input only as long as runoff is drained away from the media.

 

[JohnDee]

I run plain water for a few days twice per run in dtw coco.

Hi Michael,
I respect you as a grower and am asking for my continuing education on coco. But what I have read suggests that water will wash out the coco buffering and cause Ca/Mg issues. I have a source for this. Do you find that this isn't true?
JD

 

[Michael Huntherz]

Hi Michael,
I respect you as a grower and am asking for my continuing education on coco. But what I have read suggests that water will wash out the coco buffering and cause Ca/Mg issues. I have a source for this. Do you find that this isn't true?
JD

Hey man, that’s nice of you, I respect you too.

I flush my coco a bit once or twice a run to rinse out salt buildup, I only do about two gallons of water per five gallon pot, then hit it with a bit of cal mag. I use tap water that has some naturally occurring Ca Mg in it, so maybe that’s the reason it doesn’t give me trouble.

I hope I am not giving the impression I don’t have grow problems, I screw up a lot, and sometimes it seems like my plants or equipment will not cooperate with me even when I do everything “right”...it’s all in the game.

 

[Michael Huntherz]

Talk about ego.

The Question was intended for users of Mega in Coco. Would Anyone tell me what strength you are using in coco and if you can get away without calmag. -Sincere Thanks!

I felt bad about last night and came back, took you off ignore, and re-read this thread. All your answers are already here and I do not like your lazy, wimpy demeanor, but I will try to help you anyway.

If you do not have an EC/TDS meter, go buy one.

Measure your tap water TDS in a gallon jug, add tiny bits of MC until you hit 400ppm of MegaCrop, by subtractig the TDS of your water from the total number, and there’s your baby food. Take note of the amount of MC used by weight or volume or whatever works for you.

Do the same thing but go up to 800ppm of MC, there’s your mature plant food.

You can vary by 200ppm one direction or the other, to suit your plants’ needs.

As I indicated before: You do not and will not need CalMag when using MC, period, I fucking promise. It is literally the only product you need to grow cannabis.

I would recommend making a stock solution by dissolving 500g of MC into a gallon of water, it would save you a ton of work, but I don’t know how well it stays suspended in solution over time.

 

[coreywebster]

i posted my plants on page 3... just a lil tip burn = perfect imo

What type of EC meter do you use?

 

[Michael Huntherz]

What type of EC meter do you use?

I am pretty sure ocean water is about 5 Siemens per Meter, aka what I call 5.0 EC, I guess we should all be more specific.

My EC pen shows microSiemens per cm, so I guess you could say I run at EC 1600-2000...lol

 

[kinnyg1234]

If you do not have an EC/TDS meter, go buy one.

Measure your tap water TDS in a gallon jug, add tiny bits of MC until you hit 400ppm of MegaCrop, by subtractig the TDS of your water from the total number, and there’s your baby food. Take note of the amount of MC used by weight or volume or whatever works for you.

Do the same thing but go up to 800ppm of MC, there’s your mature plant food.

You can vary by 200ppm one direction or the other, to suit your plants’ needs.

As I indicated before: You do not and will not need CalMag when using MC, period, I fucking promise. It is literally the only product you need to grow cannabis.

I would recommend making a stock solution by dissolving 500g of MC into a gallon of water, it would save you a ton of work, but I don’t know how well it stays suspended in solution over time.[/QUOTE]

Your first comment after I posted in this then idle thread was pure vitriol, Dick Measuring Contest.

You are all over the place, You told me I was wrong in mag def in one comment (based on nothing), then tell me it's cal, mag or iron, 'I actually care' in one post and the next back to shit. You set to ignore, but then 'feel bad'. You seem Literally Bipolar, Please do ignore my posts.

I have been growing in peat and coco for 15 years, hit a snag when I changed up my food, I am trying to get around it and asked advice of LEGALCANADA who is the Only person online I have found using mega in coco no calmag. So I am asking advice of people WHO USE MEGA IN COCO.

Yes in theory it should all be working, but is not, hence asking those WITH ACTUAL EXPERIENCE in what I am describing, using Mega in Coco -you know, the Title of the Thread...[/QUOTE]

 

[1212ham]

legalcanada hasn't posted in this thread for almost 3 months and there are plenty of people using MC in coco, including me.
Look at the 85 page thread on Mega Crop!
https://www.rollitup.org/t/greenleaf-nutrients-and-mega-crop-happy-to-be-on-riu.946071/page-85#post-14410974

He did not say it's cal, mag, or iron!
He did say "Probably related to the balance between Iron, Mag and Calcium, not necessrily a lack of mag...could be pH, could be salt buildup, could be, umm, excessive Boron maybe?"

He's right about reading the label, MC is well known to have good amounts of Cal and mag.
"6.5% Total Calcium (Ca)
Contains 3 different sources of soluble Calcium including Calcium Amino Acid Chelate, ensuring maximum absorption in any condition. This, combined with a whopping 6.5% total content ensures there will be continuous adequate content for the entire life of the plant, even in heavy demanding stages. Calcium content is enough to meet even the most difficult growing mediums such as Coco Coir, which is typically known to leech Calcium from solutions due to the non-existent cation exchange capacity (CEC).


2% Total Magnesium (Mg)
Contains 2 different sources of soluble Magnesium including Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate, ensuring maximum absorption in any condition. Based on scientific analysis and plant tissue data, 2% Magnesium exceeds requirements for all crops, even difficult strains and genetics. Similar to our Calcium, the Magnesium content is enough to meet even the most difficult growing mediums such as Coco Coir, which have very low cation exchange capacity (CEC) and typically need supplements."

 

[kinnyg1234]

legalcanada hasn't posted in this thread for almost 3 months and there are plenty of people using MC in coco, including me.
Look at the 85 page thread on Mega Crop!
https://www.rollitup.org/t/greenleaf-nutrients-and-mega-crop-happy-to-be-on-riu.946071/page-85#post-14410974

He did not say it's cal, mag, or iron!
He did say "Probably related to the balance between Iron, Mag and Calcium, not necessrily a lack of mag...could be pH, could be salt buildup, could be, umm, excessive Boron maybe?"

He's right about reading the label, MC is well known to have good amounts of Cal and mag.
"6.5% Total Calcium (Ca)
Contains 3 different sources of soluble Calcium including Calcium Amino Acid Chelate, ensuring maximum absorption in any condition. This, combined with a whopping 6.5% total content ensures there will be continuous adequate content for the entire life of the plant, even in heavy demanding stages. Calcium content is enough to meet even the most difficult growing mediums such as Coco Coir, which is typically known to leech Calcium from solutions due to the non-existent cation exchange capacity (CEC).


2% Total Magnesium (Mg)
Contains 2 different sources of soluble Magnesium including Magnesium Amino Acid Chelate, ensuring maximum absorption in any condition. Based on scientific analysis and plant tissue data, 2% Magnesium exceeds requirements for all crops, even difficult strains and genetics. Similar to our Calcium, the Magnesium content is enough to meet even the most difficult growing mediums such as Coco Coir, which have very low cation exchange capacity (CEC) and typically need supplements."

Excellent, I am glad you have responded. -Yes No one posted in here for 3 months before I did.

I ruled out the other possibilities, he told me I was wrong to say mag def without any reason to back that up other than a number on the bag.

The owner of GL told me likely mag would be the issue in coco, not cal, hence I am playing with magsuf and was glad to see someone getting by without calmag or magsul, without burning.

The amino chelates are why I chose mega. I am the one who first mentioned them to the owner/formulator of greenleaf maybe 2 years ago, have been using GL supps for 5 years or so.

-So are you using mega Regular strength in coco or higher as LegalCanada said?

And not adding any calmag? -Your answer to these would be Really Appreciated.

Also as mentioned it seems to be in issue with some strains more than others (?)

 

[1212ham]

I'd try posting in the Greenleaf thread, hydroponics or indoor growing sections.

I can't help much in terms of growing experience, I don't have much. I can't make any sense of the numbers posted by legalcanada, never heard of anyone running even half of that.

I used only MC, then added "Budd Explosion" during flower.
I intended to use recommended amounts, and it worked great, but then got it way too strong for a while in mid flower. I had made a concentrate and fed based solely on tds readings, big mistake! Mold had started growing on the surface of the concentrate and I believe it caused the TDS meter to read way to low. Then I discovered my cheapo tds meter was reading low..... after I bought a good HM meter and calibration fluid. BTW, some people get excellent results running less than recommended concentrations.

What ph have you been feeding? What are you using for water? What type of hydro?

 

[kinnyg1234]

mag?

I'd try posting in the Greenleaf thread, hydroponics or indoor growing sections.

I can't help much in terms of growing experience, I don't have much. I can't make any sense of the numbers posted by legalcanada, never heard of anyone running even half of that.

I used only MC, then added "Budd Explosion" during flower.
I intended to use recommended amounts, and it worked great, but then got it way too strong for a while in mid flower. I had made a concentrate and fed based solely on tds readings, big mistake! Mold had started growing on the surface of the concentrate and I believe it caused the TDS meter to read way to low. Then I discovered my cheapo tds meter was reading low..... after I bought a good HM meter and calibration fluid. BTW, some people get excellent results running less than recommended concentrations.

What ph have you been feeding? What are you using for water? What type of hydro?

So you went all through with no calmag, feeding reg stregnth or under with no def. -got it.

My experience is different, city water, 48 hour offgassing, brick coco.. I am adding more mag seems to be helping I just thought I would try to see what info is out there... legal canada seems to have it right but that is sativa looking and biggest issue is on my broadleaf.

Thanks though.

 

[1212ham]

What ph?