McCains Funeral

travisw

travisw

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Stink Bug said:
Why would Trump want to attend?


McCain had a unique POW experience. Initially, he was taken to the infamous Hanoi Hilton prison camp, where he was interrogated. By McCain’s own account, after three or four days, he cracked. He promised his Vietnamese captors, “I’ll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.”His Vietnamese capturers soon realized their POW, John Sidney McCain III, came from a well-bred line of American military elites. McCain’s father, John Jr., and grandfather, John Sr., were both full Admirals. A destroyer, the USS John S. McCain, is named after both of them. While his son was held captive in Hanoi, John McCain Jr., from 1968 to 1972, was the Commander-in-Chief of U.S. Pacific Command; Admiral McCain was in charge of all US forces in the Pacific including those fighting in Vietnam. ..The Admiral’s bad boy was used to special treatment and his captors knew that. They were working him.For his part, McCain acknowledges that the Vietnamese rushed him to a hospital, but denies he was given any “special medical treatment.” However….two weeks into his stay at the Vietnamese hospital, the Hanoi press began quoting him. It was not “name rank and serial number, or kill me,” as specified by the military code of conduct. McCain divulged specific military information: he gave the name of the aircraft carrier on which he was based, the number of US pilots that had been lost, the number of aircraft in his flight formation, as well as information about the location of rescue ships…
On the other hand, according to one source, McCain’s collaboration may have had very real consequences. Retired Army Colonel Earl Hopper, a veteran of World War II, Korea and Vietnam, contends that the information that McCain divulged classified information North Vietnam used to hone their air defense system…McCain told his North Vietnamese captors, “highly classified information, the most important of which was the package routes, which were routes used to bomb North Vietnam. He gave in detail the altitude they were flying, the direction, if they made a turn… he gave them what primary targets the United States was interested in.” Hopper contends that the information McCain provided allowed the North Vietnamese to adjust their air-defenses. As result, Hopper claims, the US lost sixty percent more aircraft and in 1968, “called off the bombing of North Vietnam, because of the information McCain had given to them.”
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There's absolutely no proof any of that is true.

https://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2008/jan/17/vietnam-veterans-against-john-mccain/no-evidence-mccain-was-a-traitor/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/was-sen-john-mccain-a-hanoi-hilton-songbird/
 
Fogdog

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Fogdog

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RetiredGuerilla said:
Sad to say but if the political sector of the media hypes you after you pass then you were a part of everything that's wrong with this country.
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It's called last respects. Forgiving past transgressions of people who die is an old tradition that goes along with the grieving process. Those who continue to hate a person even after they are dead are hurting whom?

Actually, I'm glad you have chosen to cling to your anger and hatred of a person who is now beyond your ability to harm. You may now proceed to stew in your hatred. It's not going to hurt anybody but yourself.
 
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RetiredGuerilla

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Fogdog said:
It's called last respects. Forgiving past transgressions of people who die is kind of an old tradition that goes along with the grieving process. Those who continue to hate a person even after they are dead are hurting whom?

Actually, I'm glad you have chosen to cling to your anger and hatred of a person who is now beyond your ability to harm. You may now proceed to stew in your hatred. It's not going to hurt anybody but yourself.
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Well good for you Mr. Star Spangled awesome. I think i will start a movement to end NASA and all of their fakery. Let's take that 30 billion a year from NASA's budget and give it to the veterans and active servicemen. Whatta you say?
 
doublejj

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RetiredGuerilla said:
Sad to say but if the political sector of the media hypes you after you pass then you were a part of everything that's wrong with this country.
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In the end, North Vietnamese torture was sufficiently brutal and prolonged that virtually every American POW so subjected made a statement of some kind at some time.[15] As one later wrote of finally being forced to make an anti-American statement: "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[13] Realizing this, the Americans' aim became to absorb as much torture as they could before giving in.[11] One later described the internal code the POWs developed, and instructed new arrivals on, as: "Take physical torture until you are right at the edge of losing your ability to be rational. At that point, lie, do, or say whatever you must do to survive. But you first must take physical torture."[16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._prisoners_of_war_during_the_Vietnam_War
 
RetiredGuerilla

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doublejj said:
In the end, North Vietnamese torture was sufficiently brutal and prolonged that virtually every American POW so subjected made a statement of some kind at some time.[15] As one later wrote of finally being forced to make an anti-American statement: "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[13] Realizing this, the Americans' aim became to absorb as much torture as they could before giving in.[11] One later described the internal code the POWs developed, and instructed new arrivals on, as: "Take physical torture until you are right at the edge of losing your ability to be rational. At that point, lie, do, or say whatever you must do to survive. But you first must take physical torture."[16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._prisoners_of_war_during_the_Vietnam_War
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I was told he was a cream puff spoiled rich brat. The old timers like Naval brass they have a opinion that's very negative.
 
Huckster79

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dandyrandy said:
Vox news had an interesting clip where he defended Obama at one of his rallies. His own constituents booed mcain for saying Obama, who he was running against was not Muslim and a good man with politically different ideas. Impossible to change some people's mind.
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I love that he even took the mike away from her!
 
UncleBuck

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Huckster79 said:
I beleive that was a direct rebittal of what she said, i could be wrong. I guess i never took it that way myself...
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yeah, i never took it that way either but looking back on it, it is a racist way to say it.

i'd say most arab people are decent family men who do not cheat on their first wife with their second, cheat on their second wife with their third wife, have illegitimate babies with the maid and pay off the door guy not to tell, have unprotected sex with prostitutes an pay them off with illegal campaign donations, settle multiple rape cases, and so on and so forth.
 
Huckster79

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UncleBuck said:
yeah, i never took it that way either but looking back on it, it is a racist way to say it.

i'd say most arab people are decent family men who do not cheat on their first wife with their second, cheat on their second wife with their third wife, have illegitimate babies with the maid and pay off the door guy not to tell, have unprotected sex with prostitutes an pay them off with illegal campaign donations, settle multiple rape cases, and so on and so forth.
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Correct, i see what you are saying though now looking back... said in 08 didnt sound that way, if you heard it today but never before i beleive that the word would have jumped out at us more... i chalk it up to progress that we become more inclusive and respectful as a culture in general. I honestly think thats what tbe trumptards are rebelling against.


id say intentionwise he didnt intend it that way as i dont think he had a racist reputation in actions, kind of like my mom still says "colored people" she means nothing negative in her mind reguardless of the numbers of times ive told her thats not non-racist vernacular anymore.
 
UncleBuck

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Huckster79 said:
Correct, i see what you are saying though now looking back... said in 08 didnt sound that way, if you heard it today but never before i beleive that the word would have jumped out at us more... i chalk it up to progress that we become more inclusive and respectful as a culture in general. I honestly think thats what tbe trumptards are rebelling against.


id say intentionwise he didnt intend it that way as i dont think he had a racist reputation in actions, kind of like my mom still says "colored people" she means nothing negative in her mind reguardless of the numbers of times ive told her thats not non-racist vernacular anymore.
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i definitely don't think he intended it in a racist way, he was trying to defend obama and speak out against racism. just a clumsy word choice in retrospect i guess.

mccain was in many ways a horrible person but at least he wasn't a literal pil of garbage like trump and his family of barely sentient trash cans
 
Buddha2525

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Fogdog said:
Can you tell me what redress you neo-Nazis are protesting for when they amass from all corners of the US, all 400 of them (LOL) to shout Nazi and KKK slogans and drive cars into peaceful counterdemonstrators?
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When I go out it's to spend time in nature like at the beach or a nature walk in the woods. Also I enjoy eating out at various whole food plant based restaurants where I'm very likely to run into dorks like you, and there isn't a single neo-nazi in sight.

Unlike you, I think people can speak whatever they want no matter how vile to me or anyone else, the moment you go violent thug animal whether neo-nazi or antifa, you deserve getting your ass beat by the blue smurfs. And that's when I laugh at both sides when they get dragged away yellin, "help! Smurf brutality!"
 
Buddha2525

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doublejj said:
In the end, North Vietnamese torture was sufficiently brutal and prolonged that virtually every American POW so subjected made a statement of some kind at some time.[15] As one later wrote of finally being forced to make an anti-American statement: "I had learned what we all learned over there: Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."[13] Realizing this, the Americans' aim became to absorb as much torture as they could before giving in.[11] One later described the internal code the POWs developed, and instructed new arrivals on, as: "Take physical torture until you are right at the edge of losing your ability to be rational. At that point, lie, do, or say whatever you must do to survive. But you first must take physical torture."[16]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/U.S._prisoners_of_war_during_the_Vietnam_War
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John McCain ain't no John Rambo no matter how much CNN and Time say otherwise.
 
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