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MichiganSpinDoctor

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Fogdog said:
So, then, you agree that carbon dioxide, methane, water vapor, sulfur dioxide all absorb more heat than hydrogen, oxygen and nitrogen? I think that's what you said so I'll move on.

How many tons of carbon of carbon dioxide is released into the atmosphere each day? Answer: 21 billion tons

Scientists in several countries are measuring carbon dioxide in the atmosphere and they see it increasing along the same rate as we generate it from fossil fuels. They have also looked at the isotopes of carbon in the carbon dioxide molecule. The post industrial isotope signature shows enrichment for carbon dioxide that matches fossil fuels, not geologic emissions such as volcanoes.

Do you disagree that carbon dioxide is increasing in our atmosphere due to the burning of fossil fuels? If not, what alternative explanation can you offer?
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I agree.
 
Fogdog

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MichiganSpinDoctor said:
Take yes for an answer. Yes. And i agree.
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Good, I'm glad to see that we can agree on a some of points.

1) The earth's climate is warmed by heat absorbing properties of the atmosphere.
2) Some gasses such as carbon dioxide, methane, sulfur dioxide and water vapor hold more heat than others, such as oxygen, nitrogen and hydrogen.
3) The earth's atmosphere is enriched by carbon dioxide due to the burning of fossil fuels.

Those three points are the basis for climatologists reasons why earth's climate is rapidly warming. You said you agree with all of them

Do you agree with the validity of the chart below? (yes or no)

http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org/pages/paleoclimate.php

This isn't simply drawing correlation and pronouncing causation as you called it earlier. Science predicts the earth's temperature should rise with increasing levels of CO2 and when we check the prediction, measurements pretty much show the prediction is true.

Given this discussion, I'll repeat an earlier question:
Fogdog said:
oh, hi

I'm wondering if you have come up with a better theory for why the earth's climate is rapidly warming than what 97% of all climate scientists claim to be the cause. They say it's due to greenhouse effect from dumping carbon dioxide, methane, sulfur dioxide and other gasses generated by human industrial activity into the atmosphere. What theory that best fits all the data do you ascribe to?
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Do you want to change your answer to that?
 
UncleBuck

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MichiganSpinDoctor said:
Every day so far, you want to talk about "yesterday's topic," which in this case is what you wanted to talk about for the past several days. Climate change.

I understand the greenhouse effect. Are you going somewhere with this?

Feel free to comment on today's topic: How can we tell when the left goes too far?
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Today’s topic is about how sad we get when we see nazi sock puppets like you quoting and responding to yourself

I get very sad
 
MichiganSpinDoctor

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Fogdog said:
Good, I'm glad to see that we can agree on a some of points.

1) The earth's climate is warmed by heat absorbing properties of the atmosphere.
2) Some gasses such as carbon dioxide, methane, sulfur dioxide and water vapor hold more heat than others, such as oxygen, nitrogen and hydrogen.
3) The earth's atmosphere is enriched by carbon dioxide due to the burning of fossil fuels.

Those three points are the basis for climatologists reasons why earth's climate is rapidly warming. You said you agree with all of them

Do you agree with the validity of the chart below? (yes or no)

http://www.worldviewofglobalwarming.org/pages/paleoclimate.php

This isn't simply drawing correlation and pronouncing causation as you called it earlier. Science predicts the earth's temperature should rise with increasing levels of CO2 and when we check the prediction, measurements pretty much show the prediction is true.

Given this discussion, I'll repeat an earlier question:


Do you want to change your answer to that?
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That is a good correlation there. No doubt. I remain skeptical. Do you have a chart like that one, but going further back in time?
 
Fogdog

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MichiganSpinDoctor said:
That is a good correlation there. No doubt. I remain skeptical. Do you have a chart like that one, but going further back in time?
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There are plenty of charts and data that I can pull up. Before I just start responding to requests, I'd like to ask you something. Can you voice a reason behind your skepticism or is it cynicism?

By the way, skepticism allows for something to be true but you just haven't been convinced. Cynicism is the disbelief due to distrust of people and their motives.
 
MichiganSpinDoctor

MichiganSpinDoctor

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Fogdog said:
There are plenty of charts and data that I can pull up. Before I just start responding to requests, I'd like to ask you something. Can you voice a reason behind your skepticism or is it cynicism?

By the way, skepticism allows for something to be true but you just haven't been convinced. Cynicism is the disbelief due to distrust of people and their motives.
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I wouldn't have started a thread called civil discourse if i was a cynic when it comes to talking with other people about ideas.

Edit: I'll remind you that you are off today's topic: How can we tell when the left goes too far?
 
Fogdog

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MichiganSpinDoctor said:
The climate changes. If that temperature graph went way back, the correlation would probably seem significantly more coincidental.
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I can show you a graph that goes farther back in time that shows a similar relationship between CO2 in the atmosphere and global temperatures. If I do would you be convinced that climate science is correct in it's conclusions that the rapid rise in global temperatures seen in recent times is due to industrial emissions of carbon dioxide and other gasses? (yes or no)
 
MichiganSpinDoctor

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Fogdog said:
I can show you a graph that goes farther back in time that shows a similar relationship between CO2 in the atmosphere and global temperatures. If I do would you be convinced that climate science is correct in it's conclusions that the rapid rise in global temperatures seen in recent times is due to industrial emissions of carbon dioxide and other gasses? (yes or no)
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Yes. I can be convinced. I do not know everything.
 
MichiganSpinDoctor

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0830181423.jpg I am drinking beer early today. Read today's commentary with that in mind. I am surprised that it is everyone else who is off today's topic: How can we tell when the left goes too far?
 
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