It Will Be Illegal To Drive With Marijuana In Canada Unless You Take These Specific Precautions

VIANARCHRIS

VIANARCHRIS

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Jefferson1977 said:
Lol dude, even the article you quoted says what I have been saying, mainly, THEY STILL NEED REASONABLE CAUSE FOR A SALIVA sample. (Not a breath sample anymore though, they can do that for any reason).

Let us be clear: from the article you quoted, starting in December: "Canadian police officers can now use roadside screening devices that test saliva for the presence of cocaine, methamphetamine and THC, the main psychoactive ingredient in cannabis. Police will not be able to use random testing for these; they will still need reasonable suspicion before demanding the test."

Let us hope this puts this to bed for good lol. POLICE NEED REASONABLE CAUSE TO DEMAND YOUR SALIVA. Yes they can lie about smelling pot. Take it to court it will not hold up.

What GOOD does it DO trying to convince your fellow pot smokers that they do NOT need reasonable cause? We need to stand up FOR OUR RIGHTS FELLOWS! In the interest of the community it is BEST NOT TO MISLEAD people!!!
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So what's your definition of "reasonable cause"? What is the cop's interpretation? Are they the same Who gets to determine what constitutes reasonable cause in order to force you to provide DNA? Fact is reasonable cause could be as simple as a pot leaf car freshener hanging from your mirror. Reality is they can do random tests and use any excuse to justify it - and there is nothing you can do about it. I'm not misleading anyone, I'm just being realistic.
It's not the "reasonable cause" that is the issue, but rather the accuracy of the results and their correlation to impairment, imo. That is what we be tossed out of court.
 
Jefferson1977

Jefferson1977

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VIANARCHRIS said:
So what's your definition of "reasonable cause"? What is the cop's interpretation? Are they the same Who gets to determine what constitutes reasonable cause in order to force you to provide DNA? Fact is reasonable cause could be as simple as a pot leaf car freshener hanging from your mirror. Reality is they can do random tests and use any excuse to justify it - and there is nothing you can do about it. I'm not misleading anyone, I'm just being realistic.
It's not the "reasonable cause" that is the issue, but rather the accuracy of the results and their correlation to impairment, imo. That is what we be tossed out of court.
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You always had the chance of a liar cop saying smells etc. That has not changed. They still need cause, remind them of it! Dude!!!! I respect you more than most on here. Fuck if anyone would fight them on cause I would have thought it would be you! don't be the guy who has to be right, because you already are! Cheers bro!
 
VIANARCHRIS

VIANARCHRIS

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Jefferson1977 said:
You always had the chance of a liar cop saying smells etc. That has not changed. They still need cause, remind them of it! Dude!!!! I respect you more than most on here. Fuck if anyone would fight them on cause I would have thought it would be you! don't be the guy who has to be right, because you already are! Cheers bro!
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Oh, absolutely question EVERYTHING! I've never been one to submit because someone tells me to. What I was saying was cops will be cops, so even if you are squeaky clean they can find a reason that will stand in court. That doesn't mean you have to make it easy, even for the asshole ones. You can respectfully explain your interpretation of the laws and make the cop work to disprove it - if he can. Your biggest defense will be demonstrating that regardless of the level of THC they happen to find in your spit or blood, it did not cause you to be impaired. Asking intelligent questions, explaining your position and, if necessary, cooperating with the tests will demonstrate that. If you start acting defensive and uncooperative they will use that as a sign of impairment.
I get what you're saying about the bullshit of being stopped and tested without cause and I agree, I was just thinking ahead - sometimes you gotta pick your battles... I think cannabis testing for drivers will be very short-lived anyway...the average traffic cop is not going to want to dedicate an entire 8 hour shift to test and fill out the paperwork for one pot smoking driver, when it is likely to be thrown out of court anyway.
 
Jefferson1977

Jefferson1977

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My points are:

a) if you are stopped they need cause to SALIVA you. So don't put pot leaf stickers on your car - that makes you a target, don't smell like weed, don't have weed residue on your dash or a bag of pot. Don't be smoking a joint or being an idiot. Don't say you smoke weed ever. This will guarantee in like 90% or more of cases that you are not even asked for a saliva test, because there is no cause.

b) if you are polite and do not provide a) above, they WILL NOT EVER ask you for a test. So that is important as far as I am concerned. Your blood (at the station after you fail a) above) will never be tested and sobriety will never be an issue).

Cheers
 
driel

driel

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I think the police in my city are only incorporating it to existing check stops which I almost never see. Even those tips are not enough if you want to avoid the cops ire entirely. If they see a bag of weed even in the back seat they'll make up some bs to saliva test you. I've had a cop breathalyze me because there were empty cans in a bag in the back seat. That was enough to be considered reasonable grounds to administer the test. I wasn't drinking so I didn't care but they're looking to rack up fines for their budgets.
 
Kipn

Kipn

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fuk yous get to smoke weed legal stop complaining so much about small things and be happy you don't get arrested for 1 gram of weed like in my fuking shit state. im so going to move to Canada
i don't understand why everyone wants to smoke weed in public all i want is the rights to smoke in my own house with out cops kicking in my door just because they can smell it
 
The Hippy

The Hippy

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Kipn said:
fuk yous get to smoke weed legal stop complaining so much about small things and be happy you don't get arrested for 1 gram of weed like in my fuking shit state. im so going to move to Canada
i don't understand why everyone wants to smoke weed in public all i want is the rights to smoke in my own house with out cops kicking in my door just because they can smell it
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Which state is that?
 
Jefferson1977

Jefferson1977

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Kipn said:
fuk yous get to smoke weed legal stop complaining so much about small things and be happy you don't get arrested for 1 gram of weed like in my fuking shit state. im so going to move to Canada
i don't understand why everyone wants to smoke weed in public all i want is the rights to smoke in my own house with out cops kicking in my door just because they can smell it
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I hope you move here and are subject to all our crazy rules. But at least you don't get butt raped in prison for weed here.
 
Kipn

Kipn

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Jefferson1977 said:
I hope you move here and are subject to all our crazy rules. But at least you don't get butt raped in prison for weed here.
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ill take your crazy rules over butt rape. i read all them rules posted i must say most are retarded and could be simplified what would help fix the problem
 
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gb123

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Kipn said:
haha you don't really go to jail for a gram a few OZ or pound most likely will
i come from the land of down under
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Aussie eh!?!?! udder side of the pond.
Long ways away there mate......hey .............. do you know Dundee (: ?
 
VIANARCHRIS

VIANARCHRIS

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driel said:
I think the police in my city are only incorporating it to existing check stops which I almost never see. Even those tips are not enough if you want to avoid the cops ire entirely. If they see a bag of weed even in the back seat they'll make up some bs to saliva test you. I've had a cop breathalyze me because there were empty cans in a bag in the back seat. That was enough to be considered reasonable grounds to administer the test. I wasn't drinking so I didn't care but they're looking to rack up fines for their budgets.
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Police forces in BC are not going to use tests except a roadside sobriety. A big part of the province is policed by RCMP, so they probably will - until the municipalities that pay them complain about wasted expenses. I predict '0' convictions for cannabis impairment.
 
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