is this the middle ages?

UncleBuck

UncleBuck

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Rob Roy said:
How does any of what you said change the idea that you can't delegate a right you do not possess? It doesn't.

If you don't possess a right to do x , you can't assign something nonexistent to another person or combine a bunch of peoples nonexistent rights and create anything with that big fat pile of nothing.

You can delegate YOUR rights, because you possess those. You can't delegate another persons rights (against their will) without creating an inequality via your denial of the other persons rights. Ironic that this is lost on the hyena's who think they are protecting a right, which doesn't exist, being the "right" to force another person to serve you.

So, tell me, do you have the right to force an unwilling neutral person to serve you? No, you do not.
If you don't have that right, who does? I don't think ANYONE does.
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You sound like a crazy person you stupid pedophile
 
Rob Roy

Rob Roy

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abandonconflict said:
Ironic that a guy who thinks that racial discrimination is a neutral and peaceful act is demanding that words be defined for him.

While you're looking in a legal text, hit up the section about child sexual consent laws.
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Oh, I'd never demand that you serve me. I'm not like that, remember? Your responses are completely up to you.

I think I did invite you to rebut a post I made a couple days ago, when I explained my position on that. You've opted to stay with innuendo as your argument. I'll happily respond to your on point reply, but your innuendo makes me think you don't have a decent rebuttal.
 
Rob Roy

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londonfog said:
Please answer honestly or not at all.
What would you do about the trash in your front but not on property. Also what would you do about the neighbors shitting in the stream ? Thanks
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I'd like to point out you haven't answered any of my questions.

If there is no effluent or trash etc. coming onto my property, I'd have a hard time making a claim of damage. But that's not saying I'd like a trashy neighbor. I might try talking to them and say, "hey looks like your trucks broke down, if you need a hand getting some of that stuff moved etc". I could also shun them. Lots of possibilities.

If a neighbor shits in a stream, assuming I own the water passing thru, my responses could vary from asking them not to, to building a dam at the border and letting them float away in a shit lake of their own making.

Okay, my turn. Now we're up to 4 questions. They're all from L.Rose. Have fun.

1) Is there any means by which any number of individuals can delegate to someone else the moral right to do something which none of the individuals have the moral right to do themselves?

2) Do those who wield political power (presidents, legislators, etc.) have the moral right to do things which other people do not have the moral right to do? If so, from whom and how did they acquire such a right?

3) Is there any process (e.g., constitutions, elections, legislation) by which human beings can transform an immoral act into a moral act (without changing the act itself)?

4) When law-makers and law-enforcers use coercion and force in the name of law and government, do they bear the same responsibility for their actions that anyone else would who did the same thing on his own?
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Rob Roy said:
I'd like to point out you haven't answered any of my questions. As long as you are aware when to use math and when not

If there is no effluent or trash etc. coming onto my property, I'd have a hard time making a claim of damage. But that's not saying I'd like a trashy neighbor. I might try talking to them and say, "hey looks like your trucks broke down, if you need a hand getting some of that stuff moved etc". I could also shun them. Lots of possibilities. Fail

If a neighbor shits in a stream, assuming I own the water passing thru, my responses could vary from asking them not to, to building a dam at the border and letting them float away in a shit lake of their own making. Fail

Okay, my turn. Now we're up to 4 questions. They're all from L.Rose. Have fun.

1) Is there any means by which any number of individuals can delegate to someone else the moral right to do something which none of the individuals have the moral right to do themselves? Did you not say you would hire a third party in your utopia or the neighbors all would ?

2) Do those who wield political power (presidents, legislators, etc.) have the moral right to do things which other people do not have the moral right to do? If so, from whom and how did they acquire such a right? Same question I asked about your utopia. How and who gives others the right to past judgement. Even your utopia needs it.

3) Is there any process (e.g., constitutions, elections, legislation) by which human beings can transform an immoral act into a moral act (without changing the act itself)? Depends on what you consider immoral and I guess you have never been to Vegas

4) When law-makers and law-enforcers use coercion and force in the name of law and government, do they bear the same responsibility for their actions that anyone else would who did the same thing on his own? and that certainly is a problem we need to fix in our government it is not perfect, but much better than living in anarchy
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Answers in red and your utopia would have everyone doing what ever the fuck they want. ANARCHY
 
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Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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TacoMac said:
"I do not know how world war three will be fought. I do know how world war four will be fought: with sticks and stones." - Albert Einstein
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it would probably be good for the race to have to start over...some of the pollution will abate, gmo strains of food crops will die off and healthy strains that are actually good for people to eat can be bred, ranchers will have to learn how to actually run large herds without filling them full of hormones and steroids...kids can learn about nature, and how to interact with other people, instead of looking for pokemon.......
 
londonfog

londonfog

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Roger A. Shrubber said:
it would probably be good for the race to have to start over...some of the pollution will abate, gmo strains of food crops will die off and healthy strains that are actually good for people to eat can be bred, ranchers will have to learn how to actually run large herds without filling them full of hormones and steroids...kids can learn about nature, and how to interact with other people, instead of looking for pokemon.......
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Race ???? or do you mean species.
Manifest Destiny ….fail or great
 
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