is this the middle ages?

[Roger A. Shrubber]

I just finished reading this article. It's a good one.

Yep, your anger at just about everything did come to my mind. Your violent fantasies are described almost perfectly in section IV: The Revenge Impulse. Though it did make a case for the positive outcome that normal every day anger can produce, the article pretty much did not say that long-term, undirected and uncontrolled rage is a good thing. Pretty much the opposite.

They also referred to the moral indignation that I use to motivate me to get out and block violent fascists. The difference is, I have no desire to take revenge, I just want stop them from marching in our streets and project fear into our population. I don't want a single black, brown or jewish child to ever feel the fear that earlier generations felt when the KKK marched. I do think that Proud Boys and others like them suffer from the Revenge Impulse. The next time I see them across a police cordon, I'll have a bit more understanding of what is driving them.

There is a lot of depth in that article. I think I'll print it out and spend some time re-reading it over a cup of coffee.

please quote where i've said i want revenge on anyone....and what for?
my anger is directed...at those that make me angry...i may sometimes mistake who is to blame, but if the facts are pointed out to me, i have no problem re-directing it.
of course, you're the exception that proves the rule...you do feel moral indignation...but your moral indignation is different than everyone else's........
i don't want any children, anywhere, to feel any fear that anyone is going to hurt them....black, brown, jewish, white, red, yellow.....
i don't understand how you're categorizing me the way you are....but that's your right, to make assumptions without evidence, to condemn without a hearing, to make judgements from a questionable moral high ground.

 

[Budley Doright]

Except, your assumptions are in error, as usual.

Self rule is not "no rule". In fact it's the only way to achieve equality and peace. That's demonstrably true btw.

If another person rules you, you aren't being treated as an equal. You can't refute that, nor will you try.

If another person(s) is ruling you, the fact that you are being "ruled" rather than in a state of equal co-existence demonstrates that the situation isn't peaceful. It means a threat for noncompliance with the ruler(s) is involved. Threats like that against neutral people, are a form of offensive force, thus, not peaceful.

If there is no threat, then it isn't a ruler, it is a voluntary interaction where a person has the option of disengaging or following a leader versus a ruler(s). Try and refute that, after you've read it a couple times of course, since the concept may be so simple it's foreign to you.

Do I think people will magically get along without rulers? Loaded question. There will always be assholes, but without a mechanism like "government" to inflate the damage an asshole's edict can do, it will be less. Rulers often are not held personally responsible for their acts of aggression against other people as "the system" exempts them from things which would be bad if you or I did it. You won't be able to refute that either.

Reality?
I am the only one in the conversation willing to, and apparently capable of addressing reality. You've confused what you were born into, today's version of "normal", as the way things should be, simply because you can't conceive of any other thing but the existing plantation.

You rail on about "equal rights" , but when I prove to you, that what you think is "equal rights" is in fact a revocable privilege granted by rulers to some slaves to force other slaves to serve them, you start talking about trash rather than use math to prove me wrong. Then the gang of hyenas come in knuckle walking and drooling demonstrating their best arguments via distraction and innuendo. Which of course aren't arguments at all, simply manifestations of their inadequacies to form a coherent thought.

So, how you coming on answering my questions?

In a constitutional based government we have rights to appoint our “peers” to speak for and carry out the wishes of the majority, not sure why you can’t grasp that concept. Also perhaps your not a pedo but just delusional. When you speak of grown men/women having sex with kids and defending it as free choice you have lost and will continue to lose because it is disgusting to anyone but a pedo, freedom of choice does not exempt that, you lose again

 

[Fogdog]

please quote where i've said i want revenge on anyone....and what for?
my anger is directed...at those that make me angry...i may sometimes mistake who is to blame, but if the facts are pointed out to me, i have no problem re-directing it.
of course, you're the exception that proves the rule...you do feel moral indignation...but your moral indignation is different than everyone else's........
i don't want any children, anywhere, to feel any fear that anyone is going to hurt them....black, brown, jewish, white, red, yellow.....
i don't understand how you're categorizing me the way you are....but that's your right, to make assumptions without evidence, to condemn without a hearing, to make judgements from a questionable moral high ground.

The KKK doesn't threaten white kids.

Do I really need to go back and pull up posts where you were so angry and you talked about doing violence? Do you deny you ever said such things? It wasn't so long ago that you were telling me that we peaceful counter demonstrators have it all wrong and should practice for and commit violence? If you changed your mind about that then I'd be glad to hear it.

The white majority in the US has committed terrible acts of violence. Institutional racism that favors white people in the US is itself an act of violence. It's such a large part of US history that your anger at anybody who points it out is remarkable.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

The KKK doesn't threaten white kids.

Do I really need to go back and pull up posts where you were so angry and you talked about doing violence? Do you deny you ever said such things? It wasn't so long ago that you were telling me that we peaceful counter demonstrators have it all wrong and should practice for and commit violence? If you changed your mind about that then I'd be glad to hear it.

The white majority in the US has committed terrible acts of violence. Institutional racism that favors white people in the US is itself an act of violence. It's such a large part of US history that your anger at anybody who points it out is remarkable.

i don't deny occasionally advocating violence...contrary to popular belief, it settles all kinds of things....i do deny seeking revenge....i don't feel like most of the things that make me angry are aimed at me personally, i just happen to be standing in the fallout zone. so exactly who am i seeking revenge on?.....
i do not deny that institutional racism exists...it clearly does....i deny being a part of it. i don't condone or support it, and don't appreciate being lumped in with people that i do not like or support

 

[Fogdog]

i don't deny occasionally advocating violence...contrary to popular belief, it settles all kinds of things....i do deny seeking revenge....i don't feel like most of the things that make me angry are aimed at me personally, i just happen to be standing in the fallout zone. so exactly who am i seeking revenge on?.....
i do not deny that institutional racism exists...it clearly does....i deny being a part of it. i don't condone or support it, and don't appreciate being lumped in with people that i do not like or support

So why do you get angry when people point out that white people commit racial violence when you clearly aren't who they are talking about?

Violence is sometimes necessary. I'm no pacifist. I just think it should be the last resort.

 

[londonfog]

i don't deny occasionally advocating violence...contrary to popular belief, it settles all kinds of things....i do deny seeking revenge....i don't feel like most of the things that make me angry are aimed at me personally, i just happen to be standing in the fallout zone. so exactly who am i seeking revenge on?.....
i do not deny that institutional racism exists...it clearly does....i deny being a part of it. i don't condone or support it, and don't appreciate being lumped in with people that i do not like or support

So why do you get angry when people point out that white people commit racial violence when you clearly aren't who they are talking about?

Violence is sometimes necessary. I'm no pacifist. I just think it should be the last resort.

 

[Budley Doright]

i don't deny occasionally advocating violence...contrary to popular belief, it settles all kinds of things....i do deny seeking revenge....i don't feel like most of the things that make me angry are aimed at me personally, i just happen to be standing in the fallout zone. so exactly who am i seeking revenge on?.....
i do not deny that institutional racism exists...it clearly does....i deny being a part of it. i don't condone or support it, and don't appreciate being lumped in with people that i do not like or support

Not sure how old you are Rodger but eventually I came to realize anger took way more energy than just letting shit go. I spent a lot of years angry at pretty much the world and honestly it was draining. I would get in a lot of physical confrontations over the slightest crap, luckily never killed anyone, looking back that would have been a matter of a dice roll. Now I make an effort to just say fuck it and let it go, lots less drama. I’m not a pacifist but I don’t seek out situations where I feel the need to destroy a face either, just easier that way lol. And yup getting kind of old for that shit as well. Looking back I think I used violence as a release for a whole lot of disfunction in other parts of my life.
Edit: sorry if that sounded preachy, just opened a fresh bag and it may be a 60’s “love everyone” strain lol.

 

[Rob Roy]

because you have a bad habit of writing a lot ofnothing and have no understanding of the word condense, I only read the first two sentences. I have demonstrated how fuck up the English language is because words can have more than one meaning. Another example would be file..is it a folder or a metal rasping tool ?
Here we are again with a word like anarchy. Let us take the time and look up said word and post ALL the definitions.


an·ar·chy
[ˈanərkē]
NOUN

1. a state of disorder due to absence or nonrecognition of authority.
   "he must ensure public order in a country threatened with anarchy"
   synonyms:
   lawlessness · absence of government · nihilism · mobocracy · revolution · insurrection · riot · rebellion · mutiny · disorder · disorganization · misrule · chaos · tumult ·
   [more]
   • absence of government and absolute freedom of the individual, regarded as a political ideal.

I guess now you argue the dictionary ?

et·y·mol·o·gy
[ˌedəˈmäləjē]
NOUN

1. the study of the origin of words and the way in which their meanings have changed throughout history.
   "the decline of etymology as a linguistic discipline"
   • the origin of a word and the historical development of its meaning.
     "the etymology of the word “devil”"
     synonyms:
     derivation · word history · development · origin · source

 

[Rob Roy]

Sorry dude my ancestors are indigenous to the earth.

Your most recent ones are yes.

 

[Rob Roy]

No, I do not live ina concentration camp

About 14,000 kids do and you haven’t said a word because you’re a neo nazi

Actually there are faaaar more kids in concentration camps in the USA, slave.

There's about 77 million kids held captive via government schools, not to mention their parents and other people who don't have kids who are forced to work in order to fund the indoctrination centers...

...and you don't say a word, shameful!

 

[Rob Roy]

In a constitutional based government we have rights to appoint our “peers” to speak for and carry out the wishes of the majority, not sure why you can’t grasp that concept. Also perhaps your not a pedo but just delusional. When you speak of grown men/women having sex with kids and defending it as free choice you have lost and will continue to lose because it is disgusting to anyone but a pedo, freedom of choice does not exempt that, you lose again

With or without a constitutional government you have a right to appoint somebody to lead you, but you don't have a right to appoint somebody to lead ANOTHER PERSON. That would be the right of the OTHER PERSON.

As far as your other allegation, are you saying that consent in a relationship does or doesn't matter ? Odd that on one hand you would imply that it does, then you try to justify instances where individual consent is trampled on.

What does your therapist say about your believing in two opposing concepts at once?

 

[Rob Roy]

The KKK doesn't threaten white kids.

Do I really need to go back and pull up posts where you were so angry and you talked about doing violence? Do you deny you ever said such things? It wasn't so long ago that you were telling me that we peaceful counter demonstrators have it all wrong and should practice for and commit violence? If you changed your mind about that then I'd be glad to hear it.

The white majority in the US has committed terrible acts of violence. Institutional racism that favors white people in the US is itself an act of violence. It's such a large part of US history that your anger at anybody who points it out is remarkable.

Yet, you favor the threat of violence when you advocate for "free healthcare" and funding government schools etc.

Your anger at anybody who points it out is remarkable.

 

[Budley Doright]

With or without a constitutional government you have a right to appoint somebody to lead you, but you don't have a right to appoint somebody to lead ANOTHER PERSON. That would be the right of the OTHER PERSON.

As far as your other allegation, are you saying that consent in a relationship does or doesn't matter ? Odd that on one hand you would imply that it does, then you try to justify instances where individual consent is trampled on.

What does your therapist say about your believing in two opposing concepts at once?

What does yours say about your dilusional thinking? Odd that you would defend something that is abhorrent to a normal thinking person. Consent matters a great deal but as you have been told, a 12 year old does not have the ability to consent to having sex with an adult. If you offered a 12 year old a motor bike to consent and he says sure, is that consent? You cannot justify this so stop trying, it makes you look stupid. This may be way beyond your ability to comprehend and that’s where you consistently lose.

 

[Budley Doright]

Yet, you favor the threat of violence when you advocate for "free healthcare" and funding government schools etc.

Your anger at anybody who points it out is remarkable.

Where has anyone threatened violence for school funding or free healthcare?

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

So why do you get angry when people point out that white people commit racial violence when you clearly aren't who they are talking about?

i don't know....maybe because i know a lot of decent white people, that aren't racist, that aren't hateful, that just want to get along with everyone. maybe because it seems like a double standard to me to paint all white people with the same brush, when doing the same thing to any other race makes you a racist? and that makes all the people doing it seem like big fucking hypocrites to me? you either treat EVERYONE the same, or you're as guilty as the people you're damning....
how many people on your side of the line at the rallies you go to are white? do you assume they're racist? does every white person in America have to come stand next to you at the next rally to make you think they aren't racist? what does it take? and why are you judging people you don't know? why is it ok to judge white people but not anyone else?
because it appears that personal guilt justifies generalized prejudice against people you don't even know...that you're practicing the same dehumanizing tactics that racist use to justify what they do

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Actually there are faaaar more kids in concentration camps in the USA, slave.

There's about 77 million kids held captive via government schools, not to mention their parents and other people who don't have kids who are forced to work in order to fund the indoctrination centers...

...and you don't say a word, shameful!

here's a translation from gibberish to english

There's about 77 million kids held captive via government schools .....there are about 77 million kids getting an education at public schools every day

not to mention their parents and other people who don't have kids who are forced to work in order to fund the indoctrination centers...most people go to work everyday because they have bills to pay, and like to eat and be able to pay rent....and some of their tax money is used to fund public schools, where children go to get an education....so they won't grow up to be psychotic antisocial hermits who can't understand that their world view is fatally fucked up

 

[Budley Doright]

here's a translation from gibberish to english

There's about 77 million kids held captive via government schools .....there are about 77 million kids getting an education at public schools every day

not to mention their parents and other people who don't have kids who are forced to work in order to fund the indoctrination centers...most people go to work everyday because they have bills to pay, and like to eat and be able to pay rent....and some of their tax money is used to fund public schools, where children go to get an education....so they won't grow up to be psychotic antisocial hermits who can't understand that their world view is fatally fucked up

I’m thinking his regret sending his kids to a public school had them questioning his mental capacity to deal with the real world and it’s workings. Thankfully they have left him to his cave and lonely existence of trying to prove he is winning. He actually lost long ago.

 

[TacoMac]

maybe because it seems like a double standard to me to paint all white people with the same brush, when doing the same thing to any other race makes you a racist?

And that's exactly nail on the head right there.

Anybody can make any assumptions about whites that they want and for some reason that's perfectly acceptable. We're just supposed to smile, wave and say "you're absolutely right" even when they're absolutely wrong.

But if any white hears about a gang related shooting at "the club" downtown and we assume it's black on black crime as usual even when we turn out to be right 100% of the time, we're racists.

 

[Budley Doright]

And that's exactly nail on the head right there.

Anybody can make any assumptions about whites that they want and for some reason that's perfectly acceptable. We're just supposed to smile, wave and say "you're absolutely right" even when they're absolutely wrong.

But if any white hears about a gang related shooting at "the club" downtown and we assume it's black on black crime as usual even when we turn out to be right 100% of the time, we're racists.

I’m not sure if it means your a racist but it should open your mind to the fact there is a reason for this and it’s not that black people like to run around shooting other blacks. It goes a lot deeper than that.

 

[TacoMac]

It goes a lot deeper than that.

Yes, it does. Apparently, the last 4 had to do with people who sing hip hop on the west coast daring to come to Atlanta and go out for a drink in the presence of the Atlanta hip hop guys from the east coast.