Lol dude your so lost in your pseudo science you don't have the ability to think rationally or objectively. My observations are from actually running side by side grows using both methods and your way of thinking holds No logic or reasoning. If you can give any true facts of why your method supposedly works better Let's hear it!You're so far out from the scope of the thread and OP.
What doesn't make sense to you and what is observed from practice don't have to agree
Defoliating In flower??
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CannaBruh
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Not going to get into this time suck with you.
You haven't offered the OP any action item to help with their situation. Defoliation was suggested.
You appear to want to argue with people who remove leaves for whatever reason.
Lol again all lip service and NO explanation and I'm pretty sure I'm on topic the OP was
Defoliating In flower??
.Defoliating being the key word. Even so threads deviate to different topics at times but I think your now using that as a way to avoid explaining yourself because you can't defend what your backing. I'm calling you out! explain why defoliating is a good thing or walk away no one is holding you here.
CannaBruh
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Read the OP buddy, context >> title.
Defend your rebuttal to my initial post suggestion to OP then let's talk about whatever tangent you want to stroke your ego over..
explain? did you read what I wrote to OP it should be clear when applied appropriately within context of the OP.
Again defend defoliating, all you've done is bitch sorry but that's not a defense
CannaBruh
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This has zero added value for me, you want to pay me some $ I'll be happy to say again what can be found in other posts already present in this thread. Do some homework and read what I've written if you want to take some stance against it.
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LMAO .................................
klx
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I only read the first 2 pages of this thread by my advice to the OP would be to ignore everyone and do your own test. Dunning-Kruger is running rife here. Lots of big mouths and small brains.
It is pretty simple. Do a run where you dont defoliate at all, then do a run where you defoliate hard around Day 20 then again around day 40. You will soon see which yields higher and which yields less larf.
It is pretty simple. Do a run where you dont defoliate at all, then do a run where you defoliate hard around Day 20 then again around day 40. You will soon see which yields higher and which yields less larf.
CannaBruh
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Yield isn't what was addressed in the OP... running with theories relating to some method but failing to see the intent behind the method's suggestion is a waste of everyone's time who has no interest in the discussion outside of helping the OP with their stagnant water question.
I do appreciate and second your "learn by doing" suggestion. Though it lacks the sensitivity to the urgency of the OP's position and situation.
klx
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Ha, you are right, I just re-read the OP and I am changing my answer to 'rip those fuckers right off'
That better?
I never stated that nurture did not affect the final product merely that the plant physiology was the same.I would argue this.. have you not grown the same cut in a variety of conditions and witnessed how the expressions of the finished product change? What does this suggest? That plants don't change because environment? I would think not but open to your interpretation of these observations.
The pics referred to in my comment quoted was all inclusive, not directed in particular to one or another.. it was a way of saying "everyone do what ya do if it works for you"
Are you not going to point out the limey yellow colored larfy unders found in another photo on the same page in the canopy where no leaves were removed? Hash bin party.
all in love
CannaBruh
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If physiology is constant why not focus on variables we can manipulate and ways we can mitigate against problems we find growing indoors for example when we have standing water as a result of overlapping leaves we can approach it in any number of ways non-exhaustive, increase airflow, decrease humidity, remove some leaves...
I wouldn't defoliate just because a drop of water appears on the surface of a leaf or two now and then. It's normal. I'm running at 35% humidity @ end of week 5 (and yes I did defoliate moderately before and during stretch) and a top leaf somewhere will still get a wet spot especially awhile after watering. I'm not sure why they do this, as it's usually at the top rather than inside the plant. I don't think it's humidity related.
You need to be careful when defoliating in flower. Plants in flower don't grow more leaves to replace the ones lost, so there's no going back. I agree that unblocking a hidden bud by tucking or pulling a fan leaf (never the top 2 fan leaf nodes on the cola) is likely beneficial to that shaded bud underneath. Obviously the entire defoliating debate is dependent on your growing style - even canopy vs more natural plant with a lot of vertical structure. Sativas are less of a problem as they don't grow as dense. So strain plays a part too.
While I do some defoliation, it's not that much. If there's light falling on my tent floor it's energy wasted. I want to get every photon utilized (within reason! LOL). In my style of grow, I do still have some shaded weak buds underneath the canopy so I do a staggered harvest. I harvest the mature top colas first, and that lets enough light to hit the soil at which time I plant my cover crop. This gives me a head start on reconditioning my soil for my next grow, while I wait for the buds now exposed to good light to ripen and fatten up. Once I cut off the trunk of the plant (just below soil line) my cover crop has already made good progress.
You need to be careful when defoliating in flower. Plants in flower don't grow more leaves to replace the ones lost, so there's no going back. I agree that unblocking a hidden bud by tucking or pulling a fan leaf (never the top 2 fan leaf nodes on the cola) is likely beneficial to that shaded bud underneath. Obviously the entire defoliating debate is dependent on your growing style - even canopy vs more natural plant with a lot of vertical structure. Sativas are less of a problem as they don't grow as dense. So strain plays a part too.
While I do some defoliation, it's not that much. If there's light falling on my tent floor it's energy wasted. I want to get every photon utilized (within reason! LOL). In my style of grow, I do still have some shaded weak buds underneath the canopy so I do a staggered harvest. I harvest the mature top colas first, and that lets enough light to hit the soil at which time I plant my cover crop. This gives me a head start on reconditioning my soil for my next grow, while I wait for the buds now exposed to good light to ripen and fatten up. Once I cut off the trunk of the plant (just below soil line) my cover crop has already made good progress.
Bernie420
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I say go for it but dont over do it. Might want to be selective and choose wisely. You say heavy defoliation I dont know what that means to you. I myself just did a heavy defoliation on my stuff which imo was a heavy defoliation but I have done it before. I can say for a fact that if I didn't I wouldn't be getting the yield If I had not done that. With that said all strains react to this method differently as well as pant health will have an effect on your results.
This getting towards the end but I did this defoliation about the middle of week 3, op you can see that all of my large fan leaves are gone but fact is my yield went up, cuz the quality of the lower buds went up, cuz the light was actually hitting the bud sites.
so to touch on the water on the leaf thing that isnt good cuz its trapping the moisture there and not allowing the air to be exchanged properly which could cause pm issues = more air flow maybe?
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ChiefRunningPhist
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That's literally what he's been asking YOU guys for. Everyone, including you, has a theory or anecdote but no real data.
He defoliates .You don't. Both have experiences pushing you towards certain inclinations but what @CannaBruh is saying is that there is no definitive study. There is no data. Present some without a bunch of attitude and perhaps people will hear what you're saying. Otherwise just keep screaming into space..
Here's some logical reasoning.. If you defoliate 1 leaf on the top you may increase light to multiple leaves below.
Decreasing touching leaves decreases the probable mold growing surface area as well as increases light to lower leaves.
Preventing a possibility comes at an opportunity cost. What that is exactly, I don't know, if you have some tests or data to help determine that, well then, don't be shy..
Bernie420
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I say the same thing but for me if a leaf is blocking a choice flower site towards the top that leaf has got to go. I want the light I am paying for to hit that site.
rsvp_gardens
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I don't have a like button yet but I like you're post, I like it a lot
Red4twenty
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Lol after all these mixed answers among all the arguing that’s exactly what I decided to do I defoliated a few of them and left the others I’m more towards it yielding less stripping loads of leaves this far into flower hence why I stripped leaves on only a few and just added more fans to stop moisture building on the more bushier compact plants only time will tell I shall let you know lol ...... and no need to argue on the topic I expect everyone has there own way of doing things lol thanks again
Bernie420
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Just a little correction to make it a little clearer for those that dont get it.