The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

Budley Doright

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I'm in Nova Scotia and figure Ford is Ontario's version of Trump, if Winn and the liberals didn't fuck up so badly he'd still just be Rob Ford's older brother. The NDP left such a bad taste in folks mouths when they had power they were off the table as a viable alternative to the liberals. He did make the cannabis dispensaries private though, so some good might come of it...

Generally though politics is boring in Canada when compared to the USA. Even though Doug Ford is an asshole, he's not nearly as bad an asshole as Donald, ya'd have to go a long way to match Donald for shear stupid, dangerous and evil! Game of Thrones has nothing on the current political situation in the USA for shear drama and entertainment value.
It’s boring because we’re so lethargic, myself included lol. I’m not sure she fucked it up that bad really but that’s for another discussion, they all seem to fuck it up, some worse than others :(. But yes he is, as I said, Trump lite. It’s the whole populist thing that has had a huge effect, once we dispel the fear of being overrun by marauding hordes of terrorists we’ll be much better off lol.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I agree. But is Trump smart enough to realize that?
Probably not, be he doesn't give a fuck, his orders from Putin are to disrupt the USA, get rid of sanctions and the western alliance by any and all means, government shutdowns are part of that and riots would fit in with that plan too. It's real easy to understand if Trump is a traitor, he's an idiot, but he is not that stupid all on his own, he has Russian and republican help.

I'm glad I'm not an American, because I'd be climbing the walls along with the other patriots and looking for blood. Being Canadian I have a little distance from many of the issues confronting most Americas, but it is very painful to watch obvious betrayal and extreme corruption, even from across the border. I figure 2/3's of the country are gonna be howling for Trump's blood before too long and the republicans are gonna pay dearly for supporting their dear leader and suborning perjury and treason.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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i highly doubt trump is an active "asset" for putin. being an effective spy requires intelligence, the ability to play opponents off of each other, an ability to manipulate people, and i don't consider proud boys to be "people"....i meant the ability to manipulate intelligent people who aren't looking for someone like you to begin with.
i do believe putin is using him, manipulating him......but not directly controlling him. i hate putin as i rarely hate anyone....i truly believe he hates America with all his heart, and is trying to do everything he can to hurt and embarrass us, to discredit us with the rest of the world.
but....he is not stupid. he was a lt. colonel in the kgb for years, before resigning to go into politics. i do believe he's been manipulating trump since before trump decided to run, he's almost certainly the reason why trump decided to run. i think every time they speak, putin keeps hammering at trumps obvious weaknesses, and stroking him to continue his isolationism, and the trade wars that are crippling the economy.....perhaps it would be a good idea for them to not speak to each other anymore?
 

DIY-HP-LED

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i highly doubt trump is an active "asset" for putin. being an effective spy requires intelligence, the ability to play opponents off of each other, an ability to manipulate people, and i don't consider proud boys to be "people"....i meant the ability to manipulate intelligent people who aren't looking for someone like you to begin with.
i do believe putin is using him, manipulating him......but not directly controlling him. i hate putin as i rarely hate anyone....i truly believe he hates America with all his heart, and is trying to do everything he can to hurt and embarrass us, to discredit us with the rest of the world.
but....he is not stupid. he was a lt. colonel in the kgb for years, before resigning to go into politics. i do believe he's been manipulating trump since before trump decided to run, he's almost certainly the reason why trump decided to run. i think every time they speak, putin keeps hammering at trumps obvious weaknesses, and stroking him to continue his isolationism, and the trade wars that are crippling the economy.....perhaps it would be a good idea for them to not speak to each other anymore?
I figure Vlad owns Trump but has to communicate and meet with him frequently because Donald is so fucking stupid and can't follow simple orders. I believe Vlad is giving Donald his marching orders and that your NATO allies have recordings of him doing so that they probably shared with the NSA. Eavesdropping on Donald and Vlad's meetings would be a top priority for any western intelligence agency and all of your NATO allies tried their level best to do it for their own national security reasons. Britain and Canada are very good at this sort of thing and the Dutch intelligence agency had compete control over the web cams (that weren't covered with tape!) in the Russian internet research agency and literally watched (and recorded) the hackers attack America. The NSA was reading Russian encrypted cables like they were plain text, probably cracking it with quantum computers. One day the public will know the truth or enough of it to make an informed decision.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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so the Dutch watched them hack us, and didn't tell us as it was happening? i hope i'm misunderstanding that...
we've been on good terms with the Netherlands since 1782, i'd hate to think an ally that we have had that long would watch an enemy state carry out an attack and not tell us about it until it was done
 

DIY-HP-LED

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so the Dutch watched them hack us, and didn't tell us as it was happening? i hope i'm misunderstanding that...
we've been on good terms with the Netherlands since 1782, i'd hate to think an ally that we have had that long would watch an enemy state carry out an attack and not tell us about it until it was done
They informed the NSA about the social media stuff in a timely manner in 2016 before the election. The internet research agency was doing the social media hacking and the GRU (military intelligence) was doing the email hacking. There is a lot of info that is passed around "informally" too among the five eyes and western intelligence agencies. Stuff involving Putin and the communications of the POTUS are handled very discreetly and are probably only put on the "record" as required.

Not too worry yer allies are doing all they can to help, but it works with countries, like it works with people, ya can't save someone from themselves, only they can do that. With Devin Nunes running the intelligence oversight committee can you blame them for not sharing things "officially" until their American counterpart approves? As it stands now this stuff ended up in the papers and it really shouldn't have, unless the methods of collection were already compromised.

The point is it illustrates the fact that you are not alone in the fight and other allied intelligence agencies are very effective and are gonna have a big impact on events in the USA by helping to bust the Russians and Trump.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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The Art Of The Doing Whatever Putin Asks You To
President Trump floated an idea so crazy that it just might work... to Putin's advantage.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Trump is a real and present danger to the national security of the USA, these people are very clear about this, trust them.
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John Brennan Agrees: President Donald Trump Is Clear And Present Danger To U.S. | All In | MSNBC
Former CIA director John Brennan concurs with former senior Justice Department official David Laufman’s conclusion that the president is a clear and present danger to the national security of this country.
 

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Bill Maher: If We Don’t Impeach President Donald Trump, Where Is The Bar? | Hardball | MSNBC
Bill Maher, host of HBO’s Real Time, joined Hardball to give his thoughts on the government shutdown, Steve King, and he thinks Trump should be impeached.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The Atlantic Makes The Case For Impeachment | Morning Joe | MSNBC
The Atlantic's Yoni Appelbaum joins Morning Joe to discuss his latest cover story 'Impeach Donald Trump.'

Impeaching Clinton was a mistake. Impeaching Trump is urgent, The Atlantic's new cover story insists.
https://theweek.com/speedreads/818219/-impeaching-clinton-mistake-impeaching-trump-urgent-atlantics-new-cover-story-insists

"This wasn't the argument that I set out to make," that Congress must impeach President Trump, Yoni Appelbaum says at The Atlantic. But after researching the previous three impeachments in U.S. history, it became clear pundits and Democratic leaders "have overlearned the lessons of Bill Clinton's impeachment, which backfired on his accusers" in 1998, "and entirely forgotten the real significance of Andrew Johnson's" in 1868.

By Appelbaum's estimation, Trump's multi-pronged "attack on the very foundations of America's constitutional democracy" already more than qualifies him for impeachment and removal from office, but even if the Senate disagrees and fails to convict, the process is its own remedy "in five distinct forms," he explains in The Atlantic's March cover story, posted online late Wednesday:

In these five ways — shifting the public's attention to the president's debilities, tipping the balance of power away from him, skimming off the froth of conspiratorial thinking, moving the fight to a rule-bound forum, and dealing lasting damage to his political prospects — the impeachment process has succeeded in the past. In fact, it's the very efficacy of these past efforts that should give Congress pause; it's a process that should be triggered only when a president's betrayal of his basic duties requires it. But Trump's conduct clearly meets that threshold. The only question is whether Congress will act. [Yoni Appelbaum, The Atlantic]

"It is absurd to suggest that the Constitution would delineate a mechanism too potent to ever actually be employed," Appelbaum writes. "With a newly seated Democratic majority, the House of Representatives can no longer dodge its constitutional duty. It must immediately open a formal impeachment inquiry into President Trump, and bring the debate out of the court of public opinion and into Congress, where it belongs." Read the entire history lesson and argument for impeachment, including where Bill Clinton's accusers went wrong and Hillary Clinton's earlier cameo in impeachment law, at The Atlantic.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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The State Of The Union Is... Cancelled?
Nancy Pelosi dis-invited Trump from his own State of the Union address. And it's going to drive him crazy.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I figure Mitch might be leaving Donald (and the government employees) to twist in the wind over the government shutdown, not just as revenge for Trump fucking him over on the shutdown, but to whittle Trumps poll numbers down and set him up for a downfall. Donald will have to be dealt with soon and Mitch is just the kind of sneaky cocksucker to do him while avoiding the blame. The build up to Cohen's house testimony is revealing new crimes, from paying for false polling, to Trump (Breaking news) now suborning Cohen's perjury to congress. This is in addition to the two election and banking fraud felonies (individual #1) that Trump faces in the SDNY. Cohen has not even publicly testified before congress (and the TV cameras) yet and already the dominoes are starting to fall.

Mitch will have to get rid of Donald before 2020, one way or another, if not, I don't think even he will hold his seat in the next election. He needs to make sure Donald is not just a bad memory, but in prison too, well before 2020 to avoid a senate wipe out of republicans. This is gonna get very very bad for Trump and the GOP had better break with him soon. Cohen appears before congress on Feb 7th and it should make for one Helluva show, make sure ya got lot's of popcorn cause Mikey might be there for days and I figure he's gonna try to get outta jail by stepping on Trumps neck! Things might come to a head in February or March, if not, ya might as well burn the constitution on the steps of the capital building.

According to this story Donald and his kids are fucked for lying to congress, I wonder when the subpoenas to Don jr, Eric, and Ivanka will be issued...
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President Trump Directed His Attorney To Lie To Congress About The Moscow Tower Project
Trump received 10 personal updates from Michael Cohen and encouraged a planned meeting with Vladimir Putin.
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jasonleopold/trump-russia-cohen-moscow-tower-mueller-investigation

President Donald Trump directed his longtime attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow, according to two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter.

Trump also supported a plan, set up by Cohen, to visit Russia during the presidential campaign, in order to personally meet President Vladimir Putin and jump-start the tower negotiations. “Make it happen,” the sources said Trump told Cohen.
more...
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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I wonder if those two federal government law enforcement officials who talked to Buzzfeed are pissed about not being paid because of the shutdown!
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BuzzFeed: Sources say Trump directed Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about proposed Moscow project
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/17/politics/buzzfeed-trump-cohen-lie-congress-moscow/index.html

President Donald Trump personally directed his longtime attorney Michael Cohen to lie to Congress about the Moscow Trump Tower project, two federal law enforcement officials involved in an investigation of the matter told BuzzFeed.

The law enforcement officials told BuzzFeed that Trump directed Cohen to claim negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Moscow ended months earlier than they actually did. The law enforcement sources told BuzzFeed that Cohen confirmed to special counsel Robert Mueller's team that Trump issued the order to lie to Congress.
CNN has not corroborated the BuzzFeed report.
Mueller's office learned Trump directed Cohen to lie to Congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization, internal company emails, text messages, and other documents, Buzzfeed reports.
When asked for comment, Trump's attorney Rudy Giuliani told CNN, "If you believe Cohen I can get you a great deal on the Brooklyn Bridge."
Cohen declined to comment to BuzzFeed, as did a spokesperson for the special counsel's office.
Trump supported a plan to personally visit Russia during the 2016 presidential campaign, BuzzFeed reports, to personally meet with President Vladimir Putin to negotiate. According to BuzzFeed, Trump said to Cohen, "Make it happen."
The law enforcement sources told BuzzFeed that Ivanka Trump and Donald Trump Jr. received regular, detailed updates from Cohen about the Moscow project.
CNN previously obtained a document showing Donald Trump had signed a letter of intent to move forward with negotiations to build a Trump Tower in Russia, despite Giuliani initially claiming the document was never signed. After the report, Giuliani admitted he was incorrect and told CNN, "I probably meant to say there was never a deal much less a signed one."
Cohen pleaded guilty in November to making false statements to Congress about the Russia investigation. While pleading guilty, Cohen said he and Trump had spoken more extensively about the propose Moscow Trump Tower project during the 2016 presidential election than he had admitted to Congress.
Cohen previously said talks about the Moscow project had ended in January 2016. He said he lied out of a sense of obligation to Trump.
Cohen is cooperating with Mueller and has spoken with the special counsel's office for more than 70 hours on topics beyond the proposed Moscow project, a source with knowledge of the discussions told CNN.
This story is breaking and will be updated.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Twitter is twittering about this one, time to start up the D day pool again, I wonder what would be a good date to pick, will it be in February, March or April...
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'Resign Or Be Impeached': Twitter Erupts Over Bombshell Trump Obstruction Report
Calls for Trump to leave office grow after report claimed he told Michael Cohen to lie to Congress.
https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/trump-obstruction-report-twitter-reaction_us_5c41826de4b0a8dbe16fb1f4?ec_carp=4976341146559926648
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Polls agree: Americans don't like shutdown and they blame Trump
https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/18/politics/polling-roundup-shutdown/index.html

(CNN)As the partial government shutdown nears the one-month mark, there have been a number of public opinion polls examining how the public feels about the shutdown, which was sparked by a funding standoff over President Donald Trump's proposal for a new wall along the border with Mexico.

Six high-quality polls have been released this week touching on Trump, the shutdown, the Democrats in Congress and the wall.
Most confirmed what we already knew from before the shutdown started: Opposition to a border wall is widespread and deep. But beyond that general opposition, the new polls offer some consistent results, including:
Blame, in the public's mind, rests largely at the White House
Many object to the shutdown, especially as a tactic to build the wall,
Few see a wall as an effective way to combat undocumented immigration.
About half of Americans (51%) said it would be unacceptable if the only way to end the shutdown was to pass a bill that includes Trump's requested funding for the border wall, according to a Pew Research Center poll released on Wednesday. On the other side, 29% said it would be unacceptable for the only end to the shutdown to come via a bill that does not include the president's requested funding for the wall.
Multiple other polls show similar sentiments, including a Quinnipiac University finding that 61% of voters would support a bill funding new border security measures without funding a wall, including 36% of Republicans, 78% of Democrats and two-thirds of independents.
Seven-in-ten Americans said that shutting down the federal government in order to reach an agreement on government policy is a bad strategy and only 22% thought it was a good strategy, according to a PBS NewsHour/Marist poll.
So, Americans oppose the strategy of shutting down the government, but is that because of the wall itself? Or the government? Probably both.
Support for the wall is still low, at around four-in-ten, across all the polls (40% support in Pew, 43% in Quinnipiac, 39% in CNN/SSRS and 42% in ABC/Washington Post).
Further, the Pew survey found that only about a third of Americans (34%) said that expanding the wall would lead to a major reduction in illegal immigration to the US and, according to Quinnipiac's poll, 43% of voters feel a wall is an effective way to protect the border. Both polls found sharp partisan divides on the matter: In the Pew study, 69% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents said it would reduce illegal immigration vs. just 7% among Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents, and Quinnipiac's results show 87% of Republicans consider the wall effective protection for the border, while 95% of Democrats say it is not.
It's becoming clear that the shutdown is an issue for American's perceptions of the government. In a Gallup poll released Wednesday, the number who cited the government as the most important problem facing the country today went up from 19% in December to 29% in January. But even this is driven by partisanship. In the Pew poll, 79% of Democrats and Democratic-leaning independents say the government shutdown is a "very serious" problem for the country, just 35% of Republicans and Republican-leaning independents feel the same.
Majorities disapprove of the way Trump (61%), Republicans in Congress (60%) and Democrats in Congress (53%) are handling negotiations over the shutdown, according to Pew Research.
And most Americans are blaming Trump for the shutdown. In each of four polls that asked respondents to place blame, majorities said that lies with the President, while about a third in each cited Democrats in Congress as primarily responsible.
The President's overall approval has definitely taken a hit, too. Not all polls showed a substantial downturn from where he was in December to where he is now, but taken together there is clear downward movement in his ratings. One of his biggest losses has been among white Americans without college degrees, an important base for Trump. In the new polls, four surveys conducted among all adults found approval ratings below 40%. Back in December, before the shutdown began, polls conducted using the same methodology found a wider range of approval ratings, including several over 40%. Each of those findings on their own wouldn't amount to much, but the consensus across polls suggests real movement in the public opinion.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Monologue: Shutdown Showdown | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
Bill recaps the top stories of the week, including the ongoing government shutdown, President Trump's shady lawyers and his latest spat with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi.

New Rule: Middle Class Squeeze | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
In his first New Rule of the season, Bill bemoans the state of America's shrinking middle class.
 
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BuzzFeed’s stumble fuels doubts about the press, even if a few details are missing
https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/buzzfeeds-stumble-fuels-doubts-about-the-press-even-if-a-few-details-are-missing/2019/01/19/b509ed32-1b93-11e9-88fe-f9f77a3bcb6c_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.9134f52d683c

By Paul Farhi January 19 at 10:06 AM

Although the details about what it got wrong are still sketchy, BuzzFeed News’ apparently mistaken story about Michael Cohen and President Trump is the highest profile misstep yet for a news organization during a period of heightened and intense scrutiny of the press.

Reporters at the Guardian, CNN, McClatchy News and other outlets have published disputed, suspect or uncorroborated stories about Trump and the investigation swirling around him since special counsel Robert S. Mueller III began his probe 21 months ago. Each instance has elicited cries of “fake news” from the president and his supporters, stoking the claim that the mainstream media is biased and irresponsible.

But these disputed stories have tended to be about discreet events or actions; they were effectively clues rather than conclusions about Trump’s potential criminality.

BuzzFeed’s story on Thursday, written by Jason Leopold and Anthony Cormier, was of a different nature and magnitude: It reported that prosecutors had detailed evidence that Trump had directed Cohen to lie to Congress about Trump’s proposed office tower project in Moscow in 2016 — a direct accusation of presidential criminality. Democrats argued that would be an impeachable offense, if proved.

The big claim led to a big fall on Friday. In an extraordinary and seemingly surgically worded statement, Mueller’s office cast doubt on BuzzFeed’s report.

“BuzzFeed’s description of specific statements to the special counsel’s office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen’s congressional testimony are not accurate,” the statement said.

President Trump tweeted an unverified claim about, “prayer rugs” at the southern border on Jan. 18, stoking fears about border security. (Elyse Samuels/The Washington Post)

The statement was simultaneously broad and seemingly specific. It challenged the central thrust of BuzzFeed’s explosive story — that Mueller’s team had detailed evidence of felonious acts by the president.

The fact that the normally buttoned-up special counsel’s office felt compelled to issue a statement suggests that the story’s conclusions were too baldly stated and too consequential to stay unchallenged. In effect, Mueller’s office seemed to be saying that BuzzFeed went too far and got some things wrong, though it did not say how or what.

In fact, what it didn’t say was important, too. It didn’t say Mueller had no evidence that Trump had sought to influence Cohen — just that BuzzFeed’s description of such statements was inaccurate. Nor did it spell out which reported statements were inaccurate and in what way. Further, it offered no details about how BuzzFeed had mischaracterized any evidence that Mueller has collected.

This gave the online news organization a small bit of daylight and some hope of vindication. In response to Mueller’s office, editor Ben Smith issued a statement saying BuzzFeed stood by its story. He urged Mueller “to make clear what he’s disputing.”

Right or wrong, BuzzFeed has been in the uncomfortable position of being alone on its Cohen story. No other news organization has confirmed or duplicated the story through its own reporting since BuzzFeed published it — typically a bad sign for the veracity of any reported allegation, as scoops are often matched within hours when a major story breaks.

Under Smith’s tenure, BuzzFeed News has split from the main BuzzFeed site and become a source of serious investigative journalism and political reporting. Its series on assassinations of people opposed to Russian President Vladimir Putin was a finalist for the Pulitzer Prize last year.

Mueller’s spokesman, Peter Carr, has been a font of “no comments” to reporters since the special counsel’s office began looking in May 2017 into Russian involvement in the 2016 election. He has remained silent amid tens of thousands of stories about Mueller’s investigation, even as some of these press reports appeared to go off track.

No news outlet, for example, has been able to corroborate the Guardian’s story in late November about a secret meeting between Trump’s former campaign chairman, Paul Manafort, and Julian Assange, who heads WikiLeaks, the online organization that leaked thousands of emails apparently stolen by Russian hackers from the Democratic National Committee. Manafort and WikiLeaks disputed the story, which implied a connection between the Trump campaign and the leaks. The Guardian has stood by the story.

Last month, McClatchy reported that unidentified intelligence agencies had picked up cellphone signals indicating that Cohen had traveled to Prague at the height of the presidential campaign in 2016, lending credence to claims in the disputed Steele Dossier that Cohen had met secretly there with Russian officials to coordinate with Trump’s campaign. Cohen has denied the story, which also hasn’t been confirmed by another news organization.

CNN has published at least two disputed stories on the Russia probe.

The first, in June 2017, reported that Congress was investigating a Russian investment fund with ties to Trump transition officials. CNN retracted the article, which was based on a single anonymous source, but never said it was inaccurate; it also forced three journalists responsible for its publication to resign.

A second CNN article in July reported that Michael Cohen intended to tell Mueller that Trump had approved a fateful meeting at Trump Tower in June 2016 between Russian operatives and his top campaign officials, Manafort, Donald Trump Jr. and son-in-law Jared Kushner. Although one of the story’s key sources — Cohen’s lawyer, Lanny Davis — recanted his support for the claim after publication, CNN has also stood by this story, which was co-written by Carl Bernstein, one of The Washington Post’s legendary Watergate reporters.

BuzzFeed has also faced a buzz saw of criticism from Trump supporters for publishing the Steele Dossier, a collection of unconfirmed reports alleging that Russian officials held compromising information about Trump, that was compiled by Christopher Steele, a former British intelligence officer. Trump has repeatedly denounced it as “bogus” and “a pile of garbage.”

Ironically, Trump relied on his nemesis, Mueller, to advance his critique of BuzzFeed and the press on Friday night.

Despite repeatedly disparaging Mueller as a dishonest prosecutor and the ringleader of a “witch hunt” against him, he retweeted a tweet from Fox News commentator Geraldo Rivera that read, “This is just the most egregious example of the rampant unfairness that has tainted this partisan witch-hunt from the beginning. The utter hatred for @realDonaldTrump has empowered a legion of back stabbers wielding flamboyant falsehoods to undermine @POTUS.”
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Donald Trump is destroying his own presidency
The investigation into the Trump campaign’s ties to Russia is serious, but what’s imperiling Donald Trump’s presidency is, well, Donald Trump. Vox's editor-in-chief Ezra Klein explains.
 
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