Cannaventure seeds thread

[Al Yamoni]

I was getting super baked, listening to Joe Rogan's podcast last night and the topic of epigentics got up. It's a concept that I've focused on for my own personal wellness and athletic performance for a few years now. Basically any input can alter your genetic proclivities towards certain traits and of most importance in the grand scheme of things, your offspring. That's why you see all these kids with "problems" and allergies nowadays... older, out of shape people fucking after 35-40 years of sedentary, shit diet fueled existence.

Could a couple of Rusty's cuts be abused by previous holders at one time or another? Surely. Could the cuts taken from that stressed plant or possibly a reveg have a different epigenetic response to certain stressors in the future? Absolutely. Could those same cuts also have a negative trait passed on to the offspring? Why not, right?

Let's take that one step further. Would placing a cut under the stress of reversal also alter the genetic makeup of offspring? Yes. Could being grown in a different environment than the previous generation bring up some deleterious traits as it tries to adapt? Definitely.

So, you can stress test your females all you want. Proof is in the pudding, the only thing that matters is the offspring.

You could blame grower error for herms. You can also say it's in the genetics so the onus is on the seed maker. It's on the grower to be prepared for the genetics and the seed maker to do their best with the genetics. I'm placing blame on no one here, as I feel it's "in the genetics".

Also @whytewidow Trainwreck chunks up all at once around week 6 or 7. The floppy stems getting weighed down happens almost overnight .

I really like what you're laying down here. Makes a lot of sense actually.

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

I was getting super baked, listening to Joe Rogan's podcast last night and the topic of epigentics got up. It's a concept that I've focused on for my own personal wellness and athletic performance for a few years now. Basically any input can alter your genetic proclivities towards certain traits and of most importance in the grand scheme of things, your offspring. That's why you see all these kids with "problems" and allergies nowadays... older, out of shape people fucking after 35-40 years of sedentary, shit diet fueled existence.

Could a couple of Rusty's cuts be abused by previous holders at one time or another? Surely. Could the cuts taken from that stressed plant or possibly a reveg have a different epigenetic response to certain stressors in the future? Absolutely. Could those same cuts also have a negative trait passed on to the offspring? Why not, right?

Let's take that one step further. Would placing a cut under the stress of reversal also alter the genetic makeup of offspring? Yes. Could being grown in a different environment than the previous generation bring up some deleterious traits as it tries to adapt? Definitely.

So, you can stress test your females all you want. Proof is in the pudding, the only thing that matters is the offspring.

You could blame grower error for herms. You can also say it's in the genetics so the onus is on the seed maker. It's on the grower to be prepared for the genetics and the seed maker to do their best with the genetics. I'm placing blame on no one here, as I feel it's "in the genetics".

Also @whytewidow Trainwreck chunks up all at once around week 6 or 7. The floppy stems getting weighed down happens almost overnight .

In an evolutionary biology course I had years ago we read various case studies of stress effecting dna. It throws some gray onto our ideas of black and white. The possible affects are impossible to predict.

 

[quiescent]

By the same logic, wouldn't it be possible to alter the M/F ratio in pollen that's created during stressful vs happy times?

Totally, and previous stress on a cut 3 years before could do the same thing theoretically. It could also be a trait of a plant from conception as well.

I'm not an expert on this by any means. Just extrapolating what we know about mammals and applying it wildly to a shorter term organism from a different kingdom with a less complex DNA to be altered, resulting in wider variances imo.

Think about those people that have 4 or 5 children, all of the same sex. Could be pure luck or the dude is shooting 85% male loads.

 

[quiescent]

In an evolutionary biology course I had years ago we read various case studies of stress effecting dna. It throws some gray onto our ideas of black and white. The possible affects are impossible to predict.

Really crazy stuff when you think about how grey everything actually is.

 

[Pa-Nature]

Totally, and previous stress on a cut 3 years before could do the same thing theoretically. It could also be a trait of a plant from conception as well.

I'm not an expert on this by any means. Just extrapolating what we know about mammals and applying it wildly to a shorter term organism from a different kingdom with a less complex DNA to be altered, resulting in wider variances imo.

Think about those people that have 4 or 5 children, all of the same sex. Could be pure luck or the dude is shooting 85% male loads.

According to medical docs...If the woman ejaculates first it kills most male sperms ,,,Something my wifes Doc read .
SO.......I think its true as my first wife never came first BOYS ,,,new wife always first ,,,,3 GIRLS

 

[quiescent]

According to medical docs...If the woman ejaculates first it kills most male sperms ,,,Something my wifes Doc read .
SO.......I think its true as my first wife never came first BOYS ,,,new wife always first ,,,,3 GIRLS

Interesting.

 

[Al Yamoni]

According to medical docs...If the woman ejaculates first it kills most male sperms ,,,Something my wifes Doc read .
SO.......I think its true as my first wife never came first BOYS ,,,new wife always first ,,,,3 GIRLS

I've heard this before too

 

[coppershot]

What about IVF and folks that have 2 or 3 girls or boys...?Interesting conversation forsure.

 

[Pa-Nature]

What about IVF and folks that have 2 or 3 girls or boys...?Interesting conversation forsure.

I would say this !!!!!
Less sperm being killed so more chance of muliple babies when IVF is done .
Now most IVF is done with low sperm or bad eggs so lets not let science mess with natures odds or querks .

I do know this...when I put reg seed In with my Fems/clones yields me more males .

 

[growslut]

Trimmed up Albert Supertramp today. Might be the strongest smelling plant I've ever grown. Its like a fermented spicy mango scent that wrinkles the nostrils. Smoked a pre-cure bowl and impressed with the high. A few seconds after the first hit I could feel my face melting. Good yield. Top grade stuff. The only issue I had was the hermy-ism. Thankfully did not find any seeds while trimming so guess the more aggressive approach of removing herms is working. I was on the fence on whether to run the clone, but think I might give it another go. Hopefully even more stable this next round.

Oudoors, both the Arcata Ghost and Pure Animal have powdery mildew--the PA has it much worse than AG. Its winter, and there has been a lot of rain and high humidity, so the conditions aren't perfect. But 2 Bodhi strains right next to the CV strains show no sign of mildew.

And got to give a huge thank-you to @CAPT CHESAPEAKE! Capt mailed over a bunch of Ghost OG! Ghost was the main CV strain I have wanted to run, and I had requested it as a freebie but got something else. Super excited and blown away by the generosity shown here. Many, many thanks Capt!!~

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

Trimmed up Albert Supertramp today. Might be the strongest smelling plant I've ever grown. Its like a fermented spicy mango scent that wrinkles the nostrils. Smoked a pre-cure bowl and impressed with the high. A few seconds after the first hit I could feel my face melting. Good yield. Top grade stuff. The only issue I had was the hermy-ism. Thankfully did not find any seeds while trimming so guess the more aggressive approach of removing herms is working. I was on the fence on whether to run the clone, but think I might give it another go. Hopefully even more stable this next round.

Oudoors, both the Arcata Ghost and Pure Animal have powdery mildew--the PA has it much worse than AG. Its winter, and there has been a lot of rain and high humidity, so the conditions aren't perfect. But 2 Bodhi strains right next to the CV strains show no sign of mildew.

And got to give a huge thank-you to @CAPT CHESAPEAKE! Capt mailed over a bunch of Ghost OG! Ghost was the main CV strain I have wanted to run, and I had requested it as a freebie but got something else. Super excited and blown away by the generosity shown here. Many, many thanks Capt!!~

That's what I love about this forum, some cool ass members!

Big bump to the Captain for making it happen. Cheers folks!

 

[dstroy]

Totally, and previous stress on a cut 3 years before could do the same thing theoretically. It could also be a trait of a plant from conception as well.

I'm not an expert on this by any means. Just extrapolating what we know about mammals and applying it wildly to a shorter term organism from a different kingdom with a less complex DNA to be altered, resulting in wider variances imo.

Think about those people that have 4 or 5 children, all of the same sex. Could be pure luck or the dude is shooting 85% male loads.

Epigenetic inheritance, like methylated bits of DNA, histone modifications, and the like, constitute temporary “inheritance” that may transcend one or two generations but don’t have the permanance to effect evolutionary change. (Methylated DNA, for instance, is demethylated and reset in every generation.) Further, much epigenetic change, like methylation of DNA, is really coded for in the DNA, so what we have is simply a normal alteration of the phenotype (in this case the “phenotype” is DNA) by garden variety nucleotide mutations in the DNA. There’s nothing new here—certainly no new paradigm.

 

[coppershot]

Epigenetic inheritance, like methylated bits of DNA, histone modifications, and the like, constitute temporary “inheritance” that may transcend one or two generations but don’t have the permanance to effect evolutionary change. (Methylated DNA, for instance, is demethylated and reset in every generation.) Further, much epigenetic change, like methylation of DNA, is really coded for in the DNA, so what we have is simply a normal alteration of the phenotype (in this case the “phenotype” is DNA) by garden variety nucleotide mutations in the DNA. There’s nothing new here—certainly no new paradigm.

So..... when you're not growing bomb ass weed... your day job is....? lol

 

[macsnax]

Epigenetic inheritance, like methylated bits of DNA, histone modifications, and the like, constitute temporary “inheritance” that may transcend one or two generations but don’t have the permanance to effect evolutionary change. (Methylated DNA, for instance, is demethylated and reset in every generation.) Further, much epigenetic change, like methylation of DNA, is really coded for in the DNA, so what we have is simply a normal alteration of the phenotype (in this case the “phenotype” is DNA) by garden variety nucleotide mutations in the DNA. There’s nothing new here—certainly no new paradigm.

I've put a bit of thought into this and different stresses a given cut has seen over the years. There's still a lot that we just simply don't have a full grip on..... And while I understand your post, I don't think I have a full grip on a couple of the words that you used. Lol

 

[thenotsoesoteric]

Well, as a Rick and Morty, Dan Harmon fan myself, I can only assume his is overly intelligent.

 

[dstroy]

I've put a bit of thought into this and different stresses a given cut has seen over the years. There's still a lot that we just simply don't have a full grip on..... And while I understand your post, I don't think I have a full grip on a couple of the words that you used. Lol

You came about the same conclusion through careful observation, I just described what you had already known.

 

[CAPT CHESAPEAKE]

So..... when you're not growing bomb ass weed... your day job is....? lol

My guess would be engineering. I would ass-umm chemical engineering

 

[dstroy]

My guess would be engineering. I would ass-umm chemical engineering

I'm not an engineer yet! Still in school. Not for chemical engineering, computer engineering. I was in the military for 12 years, worked on weapons systems, got medically retired. So I have a really heavy background in math, electronics, radar theory and operation. Anyways, I have near perfect recall, as a consequence I have absorbed over the years information like that. I retain facts in passing, stupid details. It's a huge pain in the ass and makes it very hard for me to maintain relationships, I remember almost fuckin everything.

 

[CAPT CHESAPEAKE]

WOW i have trouble remembering crap from one end of the house to the other. A BIG thank you for serving. Sounds like you made the most of your time while serving.

 

[macsnax]

For those of you that were as curious as me. I had to look it up.

How does methylation of DNA affect transcription?

Methylation of histones can either increase or decrease transcription of genes, depending on which amino acids in the histones are methylated, and how many methyl groups are attached. ... This process is critical for the regulation of gene expression that allows different cells to express different genes.