9-59-8. Phosphorous When does this need to be used?

[toomp]

So what should I be doing something with some sulphur at this stage? And those look nice, so mine don’t look that much different, would you say this all worked out because I used mostly promix and only a 1/6 of coco loco and fox farm potting mix. Things look beautiful. Would sulphur in improving smell, improve flavor respectively?

I guy here said manganese helps potency. He adds .13 ppm and .25 iron.

I have not tried this because my soil has plenty. Maybe you try it.

 

[whitebb2727]

Well I don’t agree that they rock harder than a strain with a higher thc percentage. They might taste better or be more of the variety a person wants (sativa/indica) but generally more thc means more potent.

Meh. Thc by itself isnt all that great. Its why thc pills are lacking. Most that take them say they are missimg something.

It was thought that thc was the only pyschoactive cannabinoid. Its not. Now they know of four that are active. There are over 100 cannabinoids.

It's all of them and even terpenes that afffect the buzz.

Breeding for thc only can lead to bud that lacks somethimg.

I'll stand by my statement. I don't think higher thc automatically means stronger.

 

[Dragon Daddy]

Oh I agree that’s why I know some profiles hit my brain so much harder than some regardless of if the other bud is far more triched out and frosty and I can tell has more thc some of the other bud might get you a better high

 

[toomp]

Meh. Thc by itself isnt all that great. Its why thc pills are lacking. Most that take them say they are missimg something.

It was thought that thc was the only pyschoactive cannabinoid. Its not. Now they know of four that are active. There are over 100 cannabinoids.

It's all of them and even terpenes that afffect the buzz.

Breeding for thc only can lead to bud that lacks somethimg.

I'll stand by my statement. I don't think higher thc automatically means stronger.

Most of the high thc breeders are breeding for thc and terps.
Alot using males with the strongest smell. 1st. Plant structure, mold resistance and yields dead last. It's reverse pretty much for Dutch strains.

Put your white widow blue berry cross and your northern lights up against Dosi dos and let your friends tell you all about terps and thc lol.

So I disagree with your statement, I think breeding with overall superior genetics automatically means higher quality percentages vs low grade mids.

 

[whitebb2727]

Most of the high thc breeders are breeding for thc and terps.
Alot using males with the strongest smell. 1st. Plant structure, mold resistance and yields dead last. It's reverse pretty much for Dutch strains.

Put your white widow blue berry cross and your northern lights up against Dosi dos and let your friends tell you all about terps and thc lol.

So I disagree with your statement, I think breeding with overall superior genetics automatically means higher quality percentages vs low grade mids.

Meh.

I'm not saying to not breed with superior genetics. I'm just not buying into the hype of high thc strains. High thc does not equate to better. Period.

It's not just thc. It a combination of all cannabinoids.

Research on the subject has been restricted for a long t8me here. Its not just thc thats pyschoactive. We may at somepoint realize its more than the 4 now believed to be active.

A lot of the negative side effects of pot come from thc and other cannabinoids are needed to temper that.

Sure. You may love high amounts of thc but that doesn't mean tuat higher thc is stronger or better. Thats just your preference.

With over 100 cannabinoids to say that higher thc is tue end all is just ignorant.

 

[toomp]

Meh.

I'm not saying to not breed with superior genetics. I'm just not buying into the hype of high thc strains. High thc does not equate to better. Period.

It's not just thc. It a combination of all cannabinoids.

Research on the subject has been restricted for a long t8me here. Its not just thc thats pyschoactive. We may at somepoint realize its more than the 4 now believed to be active.

A lot of the negative side effects of pot come from thc and other cannabinoids are needed to temper that.

Sure. You may love high amounts of thc but that doesn't mean tuat higher thc is stronger or better. Thats just your preference.

With over 100 cannabinoids to say that higher thc is tue end all is just ignorant.

Your tone is as high thc strains don't have over 100 cannabinoids because it's high thc.
If thc wasn't a bench market then concentrates never would have been created

 

[whitebb2727]

Your tone is as high thc strains don't have over 100 cannabinoids because it's high thc.
If thc wasn't a bench market then concentrates never would have been created

I just wanted to say that my remarks arent an attack. I got to thinking maybe they would read that way.

I'm also not saying that no high thc strains are better. I'm just saying that just because one test high in thc or claims to be doesnt mean better.

Testing is exspensive. Looking for more thc can lead to only looking at thc. Its one reason people are looking to breed cbd back in. A lot of strains became lacking of cbd over time.

I cant tell you the times ive been disappointed in high thc strains. Its one reason I tend to look for older landrace sativas. Those tend to be higher in thc and lower in cbd. Though the thc isnt near the levels of some of the newer 20+% strains the buzz is better.

Ive had some fire from high thc strains.

Concetrates arent there just because of thc. They are there because they can be more convenient and some dont want to smoke or invest larger amounts of flowers. Same thing applies. It concetrates all cannabinoids.

Thc alone is lacking. Thats all prescription thc pills are. I've had them. They dont produce the same high. The buzz isnt as complex.

The whole pkt is stronger today is partially truth its mostly just more reefer madness. There's a reason people are looking for strains from 20-40 years ago. Ever had any older landrace sativas that give you visuals? I have.

Anyways. Thats all I have to say on the subject. People can make thier own choices. In the end its all about personal preference.

 

[jarvild]

Your tone is as high thc strains don't have over 100 cannabinoids because it's high thc.
If thc wasn't a bench market then concentrates never would have been created

Concentrates have been around for centuries. What is Hashish? Originally they were created for the black market as it's easier to smuggle a kilo of hash than a kilo of plant matter.

 

[TheHarvester]

Meh. Thc by itself isnt all that great. Its why thc pills are lacking. Most that take them say they are missimg something.

It was thought that thc was the only pyschoactive cannabinoid. Its not. Now they know of four that are active. There are over 100 cannabinoids.

It's all of them and even terpenes that afffect the buzz.

Breeding for thc only can lead to bud that lacks somethimg.

I'll stand by my statement. I don't think higher thc automatically means stronger.

I agree.
People over hype THC.
It's the plant as a whole that makes the magic.

 

[Blitz35]

Much more proof out there, but a quick read for the thc lovers...
https://www.substancemarket.com/why-a-higher-thc-percentage-isnt-necessarily-better/

Short summary...."With over 430 unique compounds identified in the cannabis plant, the way in which the various components interact to create a range of effects and potency levels is complex."...."It’s not the THC content that matters most, but how the THC combines with other compounds in the plant to create unique synergistic effects of varying magnitude and effect."
As a simplified analogy, you might think of THC as just one of many colors in an artist’s watercolor palette:

Blue plus yellow = green.
Blue plus red = purple.
Even when both combinations contain the exact same amount of blue, the end result is entirely different.

Likewise, in the context of cannabis, two plants with the exact same THC percentage can produce very different effects and potency levels depending upon the specific combination of additional compounds present in the plant.

 

[TheHarvester]

Much more proof out there, but a quick read for the thc lovers...
https://www.substancemarket.com/why-a-higher-thc-percentage-isnt-necessarily-better/

Short summary...."With over 430 unique compounds identified in the cannabis plant, the way in which the various components interact to create a range of effects and potency levels is complex."...."It’s not the THC content that matters most, but how the THC combines with other compounds in the plant to create unique synergistic effects of varying magnitude and effect."
As a simplified analogy, you might think of THC as just one of many colors in an artist’s watercolor palette:

Blue plus yellow = green.
Blue plus red = purple.
Even when both combinations contain the exact same amount of blue, the end result is entirely different.

Likewise, in the context of cannabis, two plants with the exact same THC percentage can produce very different effects and potency levels depending upon the specific combination of additional compounds present in the plant.

Agreed.

High THC strains are what give the bad reactions. The imbalance and abundance of THC makes for a paranoid uneasy high. This is where the physiological problems come into play. Correct and balanced ratios of cannabinoids is key.

 

[whitebb2727]

Agreed.

High THC strains are what give the bad reactions. The imbalance and abundance of THC makes for a paranoid uneasy high. This is where the physiological problems come into play. Correct and balanced ratios of cannabinoids is key.

I agree.

A lot of the compounds that temper the high develope late flower. Anytime I've had a paranoid high I didnt like came from early cut commercial strains. One of several reasons I grow my own.

 

[buyyouabeer]

Do you have any experience with jacks or similar products.

I use Jacks 321 exclusively and do not add anything else. There are some huge threads on it over in Nutrients, but I will give you my run-down on usage. Upfront I will say it works extremely well and have convinced my grower friends all to switch to it. We have a little COOP where we hand each other halves to share and have different varieties. I will try to post a pic of my gurls tonight when I open the tent (currently at three weeks flower and they are looking and smelling dank).

The important thing is to remember 321 is the ratio; Peters calls it out full strength 3.7g/2.4g/1.1g per gallon (which is way too hot IMO). I start out with my seedlings at 0.9g/0.6g/0.3g and then fairly quickly move to 1.8g/1.2g/0.6g or 50% for mid-veg. Late veg to beginning flower I go 2.1g/1.4g/0.7g and move up from there. It is quite easy to get burned tips and N tox if you don't read your plants; my last run and most likely this one I never went above 2.4g/1.6g/0.8g in deep flower before dropping off towards harvest. For your current grow I would use this ratio. As far as sulfur goes Jacks has plenty 8.5% in the base hydro and then more with the epsom salt (MgSO4)

I mix the Part A and MgSO4 together in a cup of hot water and the same with the Part B then add to my pitcher of water. You have to mix them seperately or the Ca and S precipitate out. I grow in soil (Roots Organic Green Lite which is coco based)

 

[toomp]

I just wanted to say that my remarks arent an attack. I got to thinking maybe they would read that way.

I'm also not saying that no high thc strains are better. I'm just saying that just because one test high in thc or claims to be doesnt mean better.

Testing is exspensive. Looking for more thc can lead to only looking at thc. Its one reason people are looking to breed cbd back in. A lot of strains became lacking of cbd over time.

I cant tell you the times ive been disappointed in high thc strains. Its one reason I tend to look for older landrace sativas. Those tend to be higher in thc and lower in cbd. Though the thc isnt near the levels of some of the newer 20+% strains the buzz is better.

Ive had some fire from high thc strains.

Concetrates arent there just because of thc. They are there because they can be more convenient and some dont want to smoke or invest larger amounts of flowers. Same thing applies. It concetrates all cannabinoids.

Thc alone is lacking. Thats all prescription thc pills are. I've had them. They dont produce the same high. The buzz isnt as complex.

The whole pkt is stronger today is partially truth its mostly just more reefer madness. There's a reason people are looking for strains from 20-40 years ago. Ever had any older landrace sativas that give you visuals? I have.

Anyways. Thats all I have to say on the subject. People can make thier own choices. In the end its all about personal preference.

Still disagree. Nothing is convenient about needing a torches, bangers, ect. to smoke

Also in processing oils, presses ect heat is used destroying cannabinoids.

The only people really going back to old strains are people that live in non legal states because they have access to only dutch seeds of yesterday.


What strain was that you posted by the way buddy

 

[toomp]

Agreed.

High THC strains are what give the bad reactions. The imbalance and abundance of THC makes for a paranoid uneasy high. This is where the physiological problems come into play. Correct and balanced ratios of cannabinoids is key.

.You cause paranoia, you are capable of ignoring it while not under strong influence.
If you get paranoid you can do one of two things. Smoke low thc strains and build a tolerance like some people do.

Or my recommendation do not smoke until you have been examined by a mental health care practitioner. Mental illness is real most people have no idea they have it until they get a trigger getting high is a trigger. One of many

 

[hillbill]

Still disagree. Nothing is convenient about needing a torches, bangers, ect. to smoke

Also in processing oils, presses ect heat is used destroying cannabinoids.

The only people really going back to old strains are people that live in non legal states because they have access to only dutch seeds of yesterday.


What strain was that you posted by the way buddy

Mail goes everywhere and does not ask if it’s okay.

 

[toomp]

Mail goes everywhere and does not ask if it’s okay.

Last year's outs goes A grade stays.
But if it's the best you ever seen there who cares right ?

Mids life

 

[whitebb2727]

Still disagree. Nothing is convenient about needing a torches, bangers, ect. to smoke

Also in processing oils, presses ect heat is used destroying cannabinoids.

The only people really going back to old strains are people that live in non legal states because they have access to only dutch seeds of yesterday.


What strain was that you posted by the way buddy

If you dont know what I mean about looking for the older strains then you never had them.

Like I said. Im done. Thc is not the end all. Just because its high thc doesnt make it good. Period.

The strain I posted is irrelevant. The pic was not shown for potency reasons. It was shown in reference to nutrient regimens.

 

[Dragon Daddy]

I use Jacks 321 exclusively and do not add anything else. There are some huge threads on it over in Nutrients, but I will give you my run-down on usage. Upfront I will say it works extremely well and have convinced my grower friends all to switch to it. We have a little COOP where we hand each other halves to share and have different varieties. I will try to post a pic of my gurls tonight when I open the tent (currently at three weeks flower and they are looking and smelling dank).

The important thing is to remember 321 is the ratio; Peters calls it out full strength 3.7g/2.4g/1.1g per gallon (which is way too hot IMO). I start out with my seedlings at 0.9g/0.6g/0.3g and then fairly quickly move to 1.8g/1.2g/0.6g or 50% for mid-veg. Late veg to beginning flower I go 2.1g/1.4g/0.7g and move up from there. It is quite easy to get burned tips and N tox if you don't read your plants; my last run and most likely this one I never went above 2.4g/1.6g/0.8g in deep flower before dropping off towards harvest. For your current grow I would use this ratio. As far as sulfur goes Jacks has plenty 8.5% in the base hydro and then more with the epsom salt (MgSO4)

I mix the Part A and MgSO4 together in a cup of hot water and the same with the Part B then add to my pitcher of water. You have to mix them seperately or the Ca and S precipitate out. I grow in soil (Roots Organic Green Lite which is coco based)

Dude you have no idea, thank you so much. Clearest advice I’ve gotten I think. I’m going to try it this way. When you mix part a and the epsom salt together in a cup of hot water, do you not want to add the part b/cal nit to that same cup? Do you need to do the 15-0-0 cal nit/part b in its own cup, then pour into the five gallon bucket?

 

[Blitz35]

Also in processing oils, presses ect heat is used destroying cannabinoids.

Heat destroys cannabinoids??? You have ALOT more reading to do to understand the process and what actually happens when one smokes! heating ACTIVATES cannabinoids...that's why you have to light it/burn it. to get high..or you eat it with edibles...but in edibles as well..the thc/bud has to be heated to 'activate' the cannabinoids, before putting it into edibles! Keep reading!!!