The "D" day pool, best guess as to when Trump is out

MidwestGorilla219

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that would only be a slight improvement...pence is a religious weirdo...
I'm from Indiana and most of us really had no Idea who Pence really even was. But I'm not really shocked, we don't have your confederate flag waving type of conservatives here instead it's religious nuts who preach scripture, always carry a bible, I think you get the idea. We still have religious laws that violate separation of church and state. The farther south you go in Indiana, the further into the twilight zone you go.
 

Roger A. Shrubber

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The race ain't until nov 2020 and the democrats want some time to publicly investigate a lot of shit, besides the closer to the election that this stuff comes out the better for them, even if they impeach Trump. The democrats are gonna drag the GOP through shit over this and make sure the stink gets on them real good, besides, these legal things take time to unfold.

I don't think Donald has a snowball's chance in Hell of winning in 2020, even less than a snowball if the democrats nominate a snow white male as their candidate. They should use the republican's bigotry against them and try to get some blond haired, blue eyed, young, photogenic, christian stud to run for president, fuck he could be ideologically left of Marx and they'd still vote for him!
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DIY-HP-LED

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Let's make no mistake, Donald is in a desperate daily struggle for survival that will get much more difficult as the congressional investigations kick into high gear after the holidays. Everybody, media and politicians will have a few days to go through the report and prepare for the hearings, the gloves are off now that Barr has shown his true colors. Mueller's report is just the beginning, soon Mueller and his team members will testify before the judiciary committee as will Barr. Donald ain't out of the woods by a long shot and I don't figure the modern media will let him spin the story for long before getting ahead of the narrative, even on a holiday weekend. One of the things about the modern world with it's internet and cellphone technology is your always on the job in many professions, even after hours or on the week ends and many journalists will be at least reading the report and working the story. Next week should prove interesting, after folks have had a chance to digest the report, whistle blowers and the leaks from government sources will begin as we move forward.
 

topcat

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Bilbo Barr, live-action Fred Flintstone, Budweiser frog, or my favorite, evil Tom Bosley? You know, the dark side.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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So much for Trump controlling the narrative over the weekend...
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Adam Schiff: Criminal Or Not, Trump's Actions Are Dishonest, Unethical, Immoral, Unpatriotic | MSNBC
House Intelligence Committee Chairman Schiff says that whether or not President Trump's actions were criminal, they should be condemned.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Here's what Kelly Ann's husband (a lawyer) thinks about Trump, too bad Donald doesn't read.
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George Conway: Trump is a cancer on the presidency. Congress should remove him
https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/george-conway-trump-is-a-cancer-on-the-presidency-congress-should-remove-him/2019/04/18/e75a13d8-6220-11e9-bfad-36a7eb36cb60_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.8a97c62a5672

By George T. Conway III
April 18 at 8:09 PM
George T. Conway III is a lawyer in New York.

So it turns out that, indeed, President Trump was not exonerated at all, and certainly not “totally” or “completely,” as he claimed. Special counsel Robert S. Mueller III didn’t reach a conclusion about whether Trump committed crimes of obstruction of justice — in part because, while a sitting president, Trump can’t be prosecuted under long-standing Justice Department directives, and in part because of “difficult issues” raised by “the President’s actions and intent.” Those difficult issues involve, among other things, the potentially tricky interplay between the criminal obstruction laws and the president’s constitutional authority, and the difficulty in proving criminal intent beyond a reasonable doubt.

Still, the special counsel’s report is damning. Mueller couldn’t say, with any “confidence,” that the president of the United States is not a criminal. He said, stunningly, that “if we had confidence after a thorough investigation of the facts that the President clearly did not commit obstruction of justice, we would so state.” Mueller did not so state.

That’s especially damning because the ultimate issue shouldn’t be — and isn’t — whether the president committed a criminal act. As I wrote not long ago, Americans should expect far more than merely that their president not be provably a criminal. In fact, the Constitution demands it.

The Constitution commands the president to “take Care that the Laws be faithfully executed.” It requires him to affirm that he will “faithfully execute the Office of President” and to promise to “preserve, protect and defend the Constitution.” And as a result, by taking the presidential oath of office, a president assumes the duty not simply to obey the laws, civil and criminal, that all citizens must obey, but also to be subjected to higher duties — what some excellent recent legal scholarship has termed the “fiduciary obligations of the president.”

Fiduciaries are people who hold legal obligations of trust, like a trustee of a trust. A trustee must act in the beneficiary’s best interests and not his own. If the trustee fails to do that, the trustee can be removed, even if what the trustee has done is not a crime.

And presidential attempts to abuse power by putting personal interests above the nation’s can surely be impeachable. The president may have the raw constitutional power to, say, squelch an investigation or to pardon a close associate. But if he does so not to serve the public interest, but to serve his own, he surely could be removed from office, even if he has not committed a criminal act.


By these standards, the facts in Mueller’s report condemn Trump even more than the report’s refusal to clear him of a crime. Charged with faithfully executing the laws, the president is, in effect, the nation’s highest law enforcement officer. Yet Mueller’s investigation “found multiple acts by the President that were capable of executing undue influence over law enforcement investigations.”

Trump tried to “limit the scope of the investigation.” He tried to discourage witnesses from cooperating with the government through “suggestions of possible future pardons.” He engaged in “direct and indirect contacts with witnesses with the potential to influence their testimony.” A fair reading of the special counsel’s narrative is that “the likely effect” of these acts was “to intimidate witnesses or to alter their testimony,” with the result that “the justice system’s integrity [was] threatened.” Page after page, act after act, Mueller’s report describes a relentless torrent of such obstructive activity by Trump.
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DIY-HP-LED

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Congress should remove Trump from office.

I like the sound of that. Still think it's wishful thinking.
I can see Nancy leaving Trump and the GOP dangling in the wind for a time before at least attempting impeachment and putting the republican senate on the spot with a slam dunk trial. I any case an impeachment investigation should begin, though that can be stretched out with exhaustive hearings and court filings. The harder the GOP tries to protect Trump the worse it will be for them in the general election.

The democrats might not succeed in getting a conviction after a senate trial, but such a trial will hurt the GOP badly in the general election and sink Trump's chances of reelection. It just makes sense to pursue impeachment, though slowly, methodically and carefully, it will keep Donald's disloyalty and malfeasance at the top of the news for a long time.

Looks like it might be soon time for a distraction, war anybody? I wonder who Vlad would approve an attack on, Iran, North Korea or Venezuela? Perhaps he'll withdraw from NATO...
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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I wonder what Donald is gonna do this weekend, silence, tweet storm, or a distraction from out of left field? The news media is having a field day with the Mueller report and Donald never did get ahead of the narrative, it looks pretty bad for him going into the weekend. Barr fucked himself among his legal peers, but he's too smart to go to jail for Donald, but not smart enough to bury or spin Mueller's report, things will end badly for Barr.
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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Colbert Gets His Copy Of The Mueller Report
After two years of waiting (mostly) patiently, Stephen finally gets his hands on the Mueller report. And it was worth the wait.

There's Some 'Crazy Sh*t' In The Mueller Report
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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I understand the Mueller report is at the top of all the best seller lists in print form, so somebody's gotta be interested. The report is just the beginning of the end and after some hearings, it along with further public testimony will result in a slow, detailed and methodical public impeachment investigation in the house. I figure all the other house committees besides the judicial committee will have impeachable offences of corruption and abuse of power to add to the articles of impeachment brought by the judicial committee. Trump and his administration have done a lot that needs to be publicly exposed and that is impeachable, there should be hundreds of articles of impeachment presented to the senate, though they might wanna just pick the low hanging fruit of the top few of dozen...

Just think, this white house will soon be "The house of ten thousand lies" as the Trump lie meter of recorded Trump lies as of April 1st was...

President Trump has made 9,451 false or misleading claims over 801 days
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/01/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d738e2254a28
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Read the Mueller Report: Searchable Document and Index
BY THE NEW YORK TIMES APRIL 18, 2019

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-document.html

These findings, from the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, detail his two-year investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. The document has been redacted by the Justice Department.
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Fogdog

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I understand the Mueller report is at the top of all the best seller lists in print form, so somebody's gotta be interested. The report is just the beginning of the end and after some hearings, it along with further public testimony will result in a slow, detailed and methodical public impeachment investigation in the house. I figure all the other house committees besides the judicial committee will have impeachable offences of corruption and abuse of power to add to the articles of impeachment brought by the judicial committee. Trump and his administration have done a lot that needs to be publicly exposed and that is impeachable, there should be hundreds of articles of impeachment presented to the senate, though they might wanna just pick the low hanging fruit of the top few of dozen...

Just think, this white house will soon be "The house of ten thousand lies" as the Trump lie meter of recorded Trump lies as of April 1st was...

President Trump has made 9,451 false or misleading claims over 801 days
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/04/01/president-trump-has-made-false-or-misleading-claims-over-days/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d738e2254a28
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Read the Mueller Report: Searchable Document and Index
BY THE NEW YORK TIMES APRIL 18, 2019

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/04/18/us/politics/mueller-report-document.html

These findings, from the special counsel, Robert S. Mueller III, detail his two-year investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 presidential election. The document has been redacted by the Justice Department.
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One campaign consultant for the Democratic Party called the report, the Congressional investigations arising from it and the spin-off criminal investigations already underway in NY and VA -- "mood music" for the 2020 election.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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One campaign consultant for the Democratic Party called the report, the Congressional investigations arising from it and the spin-off criminal investigations already underway in NY and VA -- "mood music" for the 2020 election.
Right now only a little more than a third of the voters support impeachment, but that number might grow to 40% after the report sinks in. A third of the country think it's "fake news" and a little less than a third of the country can be persuaded with overwhelming evidence brought before the house in investigations. Make the Trump people squirm and force them to lie under oath, the more of the bastards in the bag the better.

Hearing from Mueller and his team should be enlightening and Bill Barr might as well take an apartment in the house because he's gonna be in the hot seat constantly before the house judiciary committee who will humiliate him, if that's possible.
 

Fogdog

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Right now only a little more than a third of the voters support impeachment, but that number might grow to 40% after the report sinks in. A third of the country think it's "fake news" and a little less than a third of the country can be persuaded with overwhelming evidence brought before the house in investigations. Make the Trump people squirm and force them to lie under oath, the more of the bastards in the bag the better.

Hearing from Mueller and his team should be enlightening and Bill Barr might as well take an apartment in the house because he's gonna be in the hot seat constantly before the house judiciary committee who will humiliate him, if that's possible.
Barr is an insect and has discredited himself as an independent head of the Justice Department. Trump will use him to divert and distract. Barr isn't worth the time. Congress should subpoena Trump.
 
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