Joe Biden announces he is running for president in 2020

Shua1991

Shua1991

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Fogdog said:
Yeah, come back in a couple of months and share your false conspiracy theory about why the "progressives" are failing.

Do better than before.
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wanna make bet? You disappear from these forums or I will, some catharsis after all these wasted seconds, maybe years for you.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Shua1991 said:
wannaake a bet? You disappear from these forums or I will, some catharsis after all these wasted seconds, maybe years for you.
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What kind of a bet are you talking about?

Trump wins? I don't think he will.

I don't really want to bet against any Democratic candidate. They are all better than a Republican. Do you actually want to bet Sanders wins the presidency? Those are long odds and to be honest, I don't want to bet against Sanders or any other Democrat. I want only joy if they win.

If you want to talk about an over-under number for the number endorsed Our Revolution candidates who win national office against incumbent Republicans, I'd consider a bet. What do you think? One? Two? How many Sanders endorsed progressive candidates -- who check off all the items on your list of litmus tests -- will win in a Republican-held district in 2020?
 
Shua1991

Shua1991

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Fogdog said:
What kind of a bet are you talking about?

Trump wins? I don't think he will.

I don't really want to bet against any Democratic candidate. They are all better than a Republican. Do you actually want to bet Sanders wins the presidency? Those are long odds and to be honest, I don't want to bet against Sanders or any other Democrat. I want only joy if they win.

If you want to talk about an over-under number for the number endorsed Our Revolution candidates who win national office against incumbent Republicans, I'd consider a bet. What do you think? One? Two? How many Sanders endorsed progressive candidates -- who check off all the items on your list of litmus tests -- will win in a Republican-held district in 2020?
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Who will win the primaries. Simple.
 
Fogdog

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Shua1991 said:
Who will win the primaries.
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See that's where your kind have it all wrong. I want the people in their district to be able to vote for the candidate they feel best represents them. You want to impose a far left person upon them.

I'm fine if a far left person wins. I like Ocasio-Cortez and Ilhan Omar. I think Omar is a warrior and love the controversy she stirs up. I'm not so sure the people in her district like that, however. The choice is up to the people in their district and conservative, liberal or Progressive-left are all fine. I like my rep, Defazio, and expect him to work with others regardless of their ideology to get the work for my district done. Simply unseating one Democrat for another in a safe district for Democrats does nothing to drive Republicans from control of Washington. I don't really care either. It's up to the people of that district and I celebrate their choice of a Democrat regardless where they fall in the liberal-conservative spectrum. I won't bet against a Democrat.

The real progress to be made and where the action is when Democrats unseat Republicans. Do you think an Our Revolution endorsed candidate who checks off all the boxes, be it campaign finance reform, universal health care coverage or free college for all, do you think one or more can unseat a Republican in the House? What about the Senate?
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Shua1991 said:
The electoral college existed before the Democratic party did... It's here to stay
I will likely look for a third party or write in. I don't believe the Dccc and the DNC have Americans best interests in mind when they choose to be collaborators with proto-fascists like trump. We need to drag the overton window back to FDR era Social-Democratic roots. They're the most popular policies that even Republicans agree with the majority of the time (infrastructure spending, Medicare for all, strengthening social security). I believe Bernie created the momentum for many other candidates to succeed where he may fail. He's set the litmus for being anti-super PAC, pro M4A, discussed legalizing cannabis federally in 2015.
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Shua1991 said:
No it isn't. You can't tell how steeped in shit the DNC really is. I don't think I can help you because I seem like a conspiratorial thinking fool, from your vantage point. Google Dona Brazile.

Also, calling WikiLeaks far right propaganda is almost beyond parody. Have you guys been in an echo chamber for the last 4 years?
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That would be a big YES.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
The problem with your explanation is it assumes white men are more resistant to manipulation than women, black people and Hispanics. I think you should reconsider saying that.

Oh, and about that huge group, of "millions of voters"? No evidence of that in the election polls. Why is that?


Out of 235 Democrats that won seats in the house, you name 3 so-called Progressives. In the past, I counted 6. That's 6 out of 235. That's not "good". That's barely hanging on. The evidence of a nascent Progressive movement is in your head and not in Congress.

The Democratic Party already supports the policies your so-called Progressive movement professes to be "revolutionary". If you want campaign finance reform, elimination of gerrymandering, a more responsive government, strengthening of social safety nets, are you going to look to Republicans to provide them? The last I saw, Republicans came within a few votes of privatizing Medicare and social security as well as repealing the ACA without anything to replace it. So, good luck with that.

As far as blacklisting of consultants who work for candidates that are primarying an incumbent Democrat? The DCCC has every legal right to do that and it's in their charter to expand Democratically held seats in congress. Its not a conspiracy if its a stated policy out there for everybody to see. When you run as an outsider, don't expect help from the insiders. Yet your kind cry bloody murder when you find out that the DCCC is about supporting the strongest candidates, not the ones you want. That entitled attitude runs deep in the so-called Progressive camp.
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The fact that you defend the DCCC's 'right' to trample all over the right of the American people to choose who represents them says everything that ever need be said about how disingenuous your entire agenda here really is.

You're a fraud. The idea that you're allowed to vote is depressing and explains what's wrong with our political system.
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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Shua1991 said:
Be slightly less bad Republicans, and then expect to win, sign on to the wars and crime bills and racial politics but expect none of the negative consequences for engaging in them. Then gaslight your opponent to pretend nothing happened. Transparent.
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Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
The fact that you defend the DCCC's 'right' to trample all over the right of the American people to choose who represents them says everything that ever need to be said about how disingenuous your entire agenda here really is.

You're a fraud. The idea that you're allowed to vote is depressing and explains what wrong with our political system.
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ahhh, no.

Running for congressional office isn't like a kids soccer meet where participating entitles you to a medal.

The DCCC is all about expanding Democratically held seats. Your so-called progressives are not. So get your own funding program punks.

The only way we are going to accomplish campaign finance reform and to move the country along the path towards universal health care coverage is if Democrats hold congress. The DCCC is all about doing that. So, go get your own funding.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Fogdog said:
ahhh, no.

Running for congressional office isn't like a kids soccer meet where participating entitles you to a medal.

The DCCC is all about expanding Democratically held seats. Your so-called progressives are not. So get your own funding program punks.

The only way we are going to accomplish campaign finance reform and to move the country along the path towards universal health care coverage is if Democrats hold congress. The DCCC is all about doing that. So, go get your own funding.
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It's a blatantly antidemocratic policy and you know it.

Fraud.
 
Roger A. Shrubber

Roger A. Shrubber

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Fogdog said:
Do you actually want to bet Sanders wins the presidency?
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no, but i don't want trump more...so if bernie gets nominated, i'm voting for him...if a one eyed neutered leprous monkey gets nominated, i'll vote for it over trump.
but once trump is out of office, there better be a couple of good candidates in '24, because then it won't be all about getting trump the fuck out
 
Fogdog

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ttystikk said:
The fact that you defend the DCCC's 'right' to trample all over the right of the American people to choose who represents them says everything that ever need to be said about how disingenuous your entire agenda here really is.

You're a fraud. The idea that you're allowed to vote is depressing and explains what wrong with our political system.
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What is wrong with the DCCC saying up front that their objective is to expand Democratic Party seats in Congress and then do exactly that?

Also too, it is an independent, non governmental legal PAC. There are zero legal issues with this group. Compared to Republicans, they are practically perfect. So, your complaint is with the laws. If you want to see the laws changed then vote Democrat. Good luck with any reforms with those people.

Did you know, the last serious challenge to the CU ruling was in 2015? When every Democratic Party Senator voted to support Bernie's bill to repeal the CU ruling.by SCOTUS? Every Republican Senator voted against it and the filibuster was sustained.

I'm sure you did know that. It makes your hatred of Democrats all the less easy to understand.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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ttystikk said:
The fact that you defend the DCCC's 'right' to trample all over the right of the American people to choose who represents them says everything that ever need to be said about how disingenuous your entire agenda here really is.

You're a fraud. The idea that you're allowed to vote is depressing and explains what wrong with our political system.
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First they said the DNC/DCCC didn't tip the scales. Now they say they have every right to because they're "private organizations"..

Gotta mention though, if the organization meant to elect the Democratic nominee cheated for Sanders, even though I support Sanders, I would oppose that process because it wouldn't actually be democratic. Because I'm actually principled. I support Democracy over Bernie Sanders.

These phonies support their candidate first over the democratic process, just like Trump supporters.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Padawanbater2 said:
First they said the DNC/DCCC didn't tip the scales. Now they say they have every right to because they're "private organizations"..

Gotta mention though, if the organization meant to elect the Democratic nominee cheated for Sanders, even though I support Sanders, I would oppose that process because it wouldn't actually be democratic. Because I'm actually principled. I support Democracy over Bernie Sanders.

These phonies support their candidate first over the democratic process, just like Trump supporters.
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Both parties are completely corrupt.

I wonder how long it will take for average Americans to figure that out?
 
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