Lumens, Lux, and Adding It all Up

herballuvmonkey

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with my cobs I can go with 40 000 k lux on top of my plant...I just flip to 12 12 and for now top of my plant is 20 000 k lux...so do I go now for more lux or let it strech with 20 000 /30 000 k lux... when do I go with max output during flower
Understanding you want to save cash through your energy output. I normally up my output at the beginninh of 12 12. I would think as long as you got the correct output per sq foot and your only uppjng the light for thicker buds the latest you would want to turn her up is at the 4th week.
 

pollen205

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I have citizen 1212 and they said 2.2 umols 50 cm from cobs but my lux mete Dont go over 35-40 000

Is it ok?
 
Is it possible to get cumulative light? I have a lux sensors which is current taking measurements every 10 mins. What I want to know is the cumulative Lux exposure over a given time.

For example, if my consecutive readings over 30 mins (measurement every 10 mins) was: 1200, 1300, 1300 then what would be the cumulative lux over 30mins?
 

SupaStona

Member
Why do we have a thread about Lumens and Lux when these measurements have absolutely nothing to do with plants? Are we making stadium lighting or something? We all know umol is the proper measurement for plants, so why even mess around with light readings designed to determine brightness to the human eye? Makes no sense to me.
 

Gond00s

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would adding a hps fixture to a led grow be a good idea? because rn I have a total of 960 in led and im just wanting to add some more power
 

Innob

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Why do we have a thread about Lumens and Lux when these measurements have absolutely nothing to do with plants? Are we making stadium lighting or something? We all know umol is the proper measurement for plants, so why even mess around with light readings designed to determine brightness to the human eye? Makes no sense to me.
There's different conversion charts that can be used to get a rough estimate of the umol/m2/sec.

Example
70 lux = 1 umol/m2/sec.
 

Maineconnect

Active Member
1. What is light?

Light is electromagnetic radiation, and may be interpreted as either a wave or a particle: thus the phrase wave/particle duality. It exhibits phenomena that may be explained by its wavelike characteristics - interference, for example - while also demonstrating some that are best explained by its particle-like properties - such as the photoelectric effect.

Treating light like a particle, a light source emits many light particles called photons. These are distinguishable by ONE unique property - their energy. When treating light like a wave, this is referred to as the wavelength, and is visible to us as a difference in color.

The main point is this: photons of the same energy (wavelength, color) from different sources, for example MH, HPS, CFL, T5, etc. are THE SAME.

2. What is light intensity?

Light intensity is simply the flux of photons per unit area per unit time. More photons means increased intensity. That's it.

3. What do lumens, lux, and foot-candles mean?

*Lumen:

This is the unit that defines "luminous flux", which is "radiant flux" (energy emission) adjusted for the sensitivity of the human eye. In the context of a light bulb, it is a measure of the total number of photons being emitted by the bulb (summed over all directions), adjusted for the sensitivity of the human eye to different photon energies.

What this means is that different colors are weighted differently according to a "luminosity function" that describes the sensitivity of our eyes. You can see this function and a more detailed description here.

*Lux, foot-candles:

The lux is simply defined as the number of lumens per second incident upon one square meter. In other words, it is the number of photons striking a finite area per unit time, weighted by the luminosity function described above.

The foot-candle is a derivative unit that is equal to 10.76 lux. It was defined based on the square foot, so the conversion is simply based on an area conversion.

4. What does this mean when using multiple light sources?

So we've established that lux are the number of photons striking a unit area per unit time, weighted by a luminosity function.

We've also established that photons from the same light source are indistinguishable, as long as they have the same energy/wavelength/color.

What this means is that if you put two lights the same distance from a point, and each light provides N photons per unit area at the point, with two lights you will have 2N photons per unit area at the point. Because intensity is a measure of the number of photons per unit area, the light is twice as intense, whatever unit you choose to use. Twice the lumens, twice the lux, twice the footcandles.

An obvious practical caveat to this point comes when using multiple low-intensity light sources. Notice how I stated that the lights were at the same distance? A practical problem with CFLs, for example, is that while you can get 27000 lumens from 10 x 42W CFLs, it's difficult to get them close enough to make them useful. If you have them in a line, for example, as I've shown below, each successive light is further from the meter, and the effective increase will be reduced. They still add, but according to the 1/d^2 rule, so having a bulb 2cm farther away will yield diminishing returns. On the other hand, this can be an effective way of distributing light, whereas with HID you need to distribute the plants around your single point light source.

5. Seriously? Prove it.

Here is a simple experiment that demonstrates this point. Below are some 42W bulbs that are a part of a flowering cabinet. I have suspended it from some pots for the sake of this experiment. You can see there is also a 150W HPS in there; I'll do some HID vs. CFL comparisons at some point as well.

The point is simple. Lights that are equidistant from a point contribute additively.

Ambient light = 0



1 x 42W = 6500 ftc ~ 65000 lux



2 x 42W = 13100 ftc ~ 131000 lux



Any questions?

More examples and experiments to come.
I recently ran into some light intensity issues when I added an electric sky 300 v2 into my 2x4 x8 ft closet at 50 percent strength 3 foot or more off canopy on top of 6 week old purple Afghan plants that were coming from 96 watts of t5.
how do I calculate the mix for my space as I’ve read over 30 lux in veg will burn?
I’d love to here yiur take on my parameters and what how much light is required.

bless and blaze
 
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