Ethos Banana Hammock comparative(exodus thread)

3rd Monkey

3rd Monkey

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Or_Gro said:
With manifolds it’s hard to say what “veg” means. I plan on 30 days for seed to 6 true nodes.

After that, for 8 mains per nugs’ method, it takes 7-10 days for each of three cuts, so let’s say 4 wks to build manifold. During this time i never have more than 3 nodes per main with leaves, and the leaves are still mainly juvenile.

Then you let them go vertical until they reach 12:12 height (i usually do 12-14”).

So, for my grows, time to 12:12 from seed pop is usually 4 wks propagation , 4 wks manifold building, 2 weeks true veg, 2 weeks slack -> 10-12 wks...
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I just count from seed pop as veg. Didn't know there was a difference?

That's a little longer than I normally veg lol. I don't know if it would suit my preferences... but now I want to pull 2 lbs out of my 4x4 lol.

Solid return though, very nice run indeed.
 
Or_Gro

Or_Gro

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3rd Monkey said:
I just count from seed pop as veg. Didn't know there was a difference?

That's a little longer than I normally veg lol. I don't know if it would suit my preferences... but now I want to pull 2 lbs out of my 4x4 lol.

Solid return though, very nice run indeed.
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@Stephenj37826 mentioned on a Grand Master Level show that he considers 2oz per sq ft to be killin it, that equates to 2 lbs per 4x4....i was pulling the equiv of 2 lbs per 4x4 under Kind leds (blurple)....

So with right amount of white leds and a dialed in process, 2 lbs per 4x4 is easily doable...

As for “veg”, the 10-12 wks to get an 8-main manifold to 12:12 may be too long for some, but the first 30 days ftom seed is the same for every method, and the last 2 weeks (vertical to 12:12 height) is certainly ”veg”; but the 4-6 wks to build a nugbuckets 8-mainer are in no way similar to regular veg - you hardly have any leaves, and the ones you have are barely providing “net photosynthesis”...
 
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Smokexbreak

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Or_Gro said:
@Stephenj37826 mentioned on a Grand Master Level show that he considers 2oz per sq ft to be killin it, that equates to 2 lbs per 4x4....i was pulling the equiv of 2 lbs per 4x4 under Kind leds (blurple)....
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Shit I had no clue that dude was on here! I watch all his YouTube and IG live streams dudes got a hell of a job!! He’s the one who got me to buy into stripping for flower.
 
iceman2494

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Smokexbreak said:
Shit I had no clue that dude was on here! I watch all his YouTube and IG live streams dudes got a hell of a job!! He’s the one who got me to buy into stripping for flower.
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I’ve been told I’m def( I call it selective hearing) but I could hear you bust a load from here lol .
 
Or_Gro

Or_Gro

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Smokexbreak said:
Shit I had no clue that dude was on here! I watch all his YouTube and IG live streams dudes got a hell of a job!! He’s the one who got me to buy into stripping for flower.
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I know stephen is here, don’t know if gml is...

That day 14 brazilian wax he does, is exactly what i do... cept i do it 3x: 1 week before 12:12, day 21, and somewhere around day 28. Each time plants come back stronger. I bet if gml was able to do the 28 day strip, he’d blow away his current yields (but by then he has plants double netted, and can’t get back in there)... at some point i’m gonna test whether the pre-12:12 strip is better than just waiting till 14 days after 12:12.
 
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3rd Monkey

3rd Monkey

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Or_Gro said:
@Stephenj37826 mentioned on a Grand Master Level show that he considers 2oz per sq ft to be killin it, that equates to 2 lbs per 4x4....i was pulling the equiv of 2 lbs per 4x4 under Kind leds (blurple)....

So with right amount of white leds and a dialed in process, 2 lbs per 4x4 is easily doable...

As for “veg”, the 10-12 wks to get an 8-main manifold to 12:12 may be too long for some, but the first 30 days ftom seed is the same for every method, and the last 2 weeks (vertical to 12:12 height) is certainly ”veg”; but the 4-6 wks to build a nugbuckets 8-mainer are in no way similar to regular veg - you hardly have any leaves, and the ones you have are barely providing “net photosynthesis”...
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I only grow indoor for variety, that's what I mean about preferences.

What do you mean the first 30 days is the same for every method? Are you referring specifically to manifolds?

I don't run much traditional training, I've altered both nugs and nebulas manifolds, but it's usually well within the first 30 days.
 
schmebulock

schmebulock

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Or_Gro said:
@Stephenj37826 mentioned on a Grand Master Level show that he considers 2oz per sq ft to be killin it, that equates to 2 lbs per 4x4....i was pulling the equiv of 2 lbs per 4x4 under Kind leds (blurple)....

So with right amount of white leds and a dialed in process, 2 lbs per 4x4 is easily doable...

As for “veg”, the 10-12 wks to get an 8-main manifold to 12:12 may be too long for some, but the first 30 days ftom seed is the same for every method, and the last 2 weeks (vertical to 12:12 height) is certainly ”veg”; but the 4-6 wks to build a nugbuckets 8-mainer are in no way similar to regular veg - you hardly have any leaves, and the ones you have are barely providing “net photosynthesis”...
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mainlining is fantastic - you basically lollipopped at the beginning instead of 2/3rds of the way through

@Or_Gro do you only grow the 8 main stems or do you permit extra offchutes? Some people cut away everything so it's just the 8 main stems
 
Or_Gro

Or_Gro

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schmebulock said:
mainlining is fantastic - you basically lollipopped at the beginning instead of 2/3rds of the way through

@Or_Gro do you only grow the 8 main stems or do you permit extra offchutes? Some people cut away everything so it's just the 8 main stems
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If you only do the mains, you’ll have a pretty plant, but at the expense of a lot of yield...that’s where nugbuckets failed to convince a lot of growers.

I look at it differently. The manifold is a plumbing structure, not a flowering structure. You build the manifold to more evenly move massive amounts of water + minerals up and carbos down; you then build whatever fruiting structure you want on top.

I believe i have now bracketed the min-max number of tops (mains plus laterals) for MY setup, that maximizes yield. It is somewhere between 20-60 tops.
 
schmebulock

schmebulock

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Or_Gro said:
If you only do the mains, you’ll have a pretty plant, but at the expense of a lot of yield...that’s where nugbuckets failed to convince a lot of growers.

I look at it differently. The manifold is a plumbing structure, not a flowering structure. You build the manifold to more evenly move massive amounts of water + minerals up and carbos down; you then build whatever fruiting structure you want on top.

I believe i have now bracketed the min-max number of tops (mains plus laterals) for MY setup, that maximizes yield. It is somewhere between 20-60 tops.
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I'll need to take another stroll through your photos, i'd like to try better crowd control this time around. Such a level canopy deserves massive respect.
 
Or_Gro

Or_Gro

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schmebulock said:
I'll need to take another stroll through your photos, i'd like to try better crowd control this time around. Such a level canopy deserves massive respect.
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I typically do multiple strains per grow, so it would be rare to nayurally have a perfectly even top across the 4x4; so, my goal is an even top on each bucket. I then use pedestals to create an even top across the tent, so i can hold all my lights at the same level, for maximum cross-lighting.

My top building strategy is basically to pull & tie the mains to the outside and down, during first 3-4 wks after 12:12, letting apical dominance do the heavy lifting of bringing laterals up to same level as tops of mains. After that, i reposition tops for max light on all tops, and use ties to keep them at same height. By end of stretch, training is done.

I also spin buckets180 degrees everyday, from first topping to harvest, to give each main/lateral even light around it’s entire circumference.
 
3rd Monkey

3rd Monkey

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Or_Gro said:
I typically do multiple strains per grow, so it would be rare to nayurally have a perfectly even top across the 4x4; so, my goal is an even top on each bucket. I then use pedestals to create an even top across the tent, so i can hold all my lights at the same level, for maximum cross-lighting.

My top building strategy is basically to pull & tie the mains to the outside and down, during first 3-4 wks after 12:12, letting apical dominance do the heavy lifting of bringing laterals up to same level as tops of mains. After that, i reposition tops for max light on all tops, and use ties to keep them at same height. By end of stretch, training is done.

I also spin buckets180 degrees everyday, from first topping to harvest, to give each main/lateral even light around it’s entire circumference.
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Went to the tutorial, found 6 nodes, remembered you said 30 days to 6 nodes... Got it.
 
Moabfighter

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Anyone have one of those “this tent is all legal hemp” blah blah papers I can tape to the front of my tent?

May not be worth much. But worth a shot for the paper and printer ink.
 
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