Ethos Banana Hammock comparative(exodus thread)

iceman2494

iceman2494

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schmebulock said:
Morning gents - hope everyone had a great Father's day.

Walked into my DWC and found this last night - STILL looks to be calmag deficiency but it's affecting my sugar leaves which if i remember right is pretty bad. I'm making sure calmag is in the bucket...

Can you guys help me diagnose these? Please and thank you!

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She looks to be in week 4 or 5 of flower already... sheesh
I typically keep pH around 5.8 to 6.0
ppm is sitting around 550 (ec1100)

materials in the water:
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Actually squirted an extra 4 mL of calmag in at the end - so about 2ml per gallon (max is 5ml per gallon)

She drinks about 2-3 inches a day, ppm rarely changes, pH doesn't drift that far.

final note - this is what I mixed up a couple days ago and have been slowly pouring it into the bucket as she gets low - so the mix in there could be some old stuff from the beginning of flower when i swapped the buckets out entirely.
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Idk how your sitting at 500 ppm with all that . Do you pre mix or do you straight shoot in bucket ?
 
3rd Monkey

3rd Monkey

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schmebulock said:
Morning gents - hope everyone had a great Father's day.

Walked into my DWC and found this last night - STILL looks to be calmag deficiency but it's affecting my sugar leaves which if i remember right is pretty bad. I'm making sure calmag is in the bucket...

Can you guys help me diagnose these? Please and thank you!

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Details:
She looks to be in week 4 or 5 of flower already... sheesh
I typically keep pH around 5.8 to 6.0
ppm is sitting around 550 (ec1100)

materials in the water:
View attachment 4351103

Actually squirted an extra 4 mL of calmag in at the end - so about 2ml per gallon (max is 5ml per gallon)

She drinks about 2-3 inches a day, ppm rarely changes, pH doesn't drift that far.

final note - this is what I mixed up a couple days ago and have been slowly pouring it into the bucket as she gets low - so the mix in there could be some old stuff from the beginning of flower when i swapped the buckets out entirely.
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That's your problem right there. You aren't topping off with plain water and letting it feed down.

Basically, you are overnuting and locking it out.
 
schmebulock

schmebulock

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okay @3rd Monkey so i'll get some RO water in a bucket and leave it outside the tent for filling.

so that means i'll just have to mix my nutes inside the live bucket?

@iceman2494 i'm not sure - is 550 PPM really low? I figured we're halfway into flower and an EC of 1.2 is okay right? (600 ppm)
 
3rd Monkey

3rd Monkey

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schmebulock said:
okay @3rd Monkey so i'll get some RO water in a bucket and leave it outside the tent for filling.

so that means i'll just have to mix my nutes inside the live bucket?

@iceman2494 i'm not sure - is 550 PPM really low? I figured we're halfway into flower and an EC of 1.2 is okay right? (600 ppm)
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You don't have to. You can do gallon swaps when it bottoms out or swap the whole res. Just track waste if you add right to the bucket.

550 just seems low for what you are adding.
 
schmebulock

schmebulock

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3rd Monkey said:
You don't have to. You can do gallon swaps when it bottoms out or swap the whole res. Just track waste if you add right to the bucket.

550 just seems low for what you are adding.
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yeah it's been frustrating mixing everything and seeing the numbers so low - not sure why that's happening - thoroughly mixing the individual bottles before they go in, etc etc

@3rd Monkey 3M should i just be doing weekly full res swaps? this is the only frustrating part about DWC so far - keeping water levels up and keeping the PPM right.

how would a topoff reservoir help at all with lockout? i feel like me putting premade nute water directly into the bucket would be kind of the same thing?
 
3rd Monkey

3rd Monkey

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schmebulock said:
yeah it's been frustrating mixing everything and seeing the numbers so low - not sure why that's happening - thoroughly mixing the individual bottles before they go in, etc etc

@3rd Monkey 3M should i just be doing weekly full res swaps? this is the only frustrating part about DWC so far - keeping water levels up and keeping the PPM right.

how would a topoff reservoir help at all with lockout? i feel like me putting premade nute water directly into the bucket would be kind of the same thing?
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You are offsetting concentrations. Disregard ppm for a min and think percentage.

You add 100% of N and P in your bucket. Now, the plant feeds down to 80% N and 60% P. When you top them both back off, you're adding more N back than P. Does that make sense?
 
schmebulock

schmebulock

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3rd Monkey said:
Yea... you'll learn to say fuck charts soon enough. Good for a baseline but it always needs fine tuning. Ice would have toasted his plants if he fed to that chart lol.
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ok good to know - and great point on the percentages. i may have to get out my more accurate PPM meter too. The truncheon only does increments of 100. if it flashes between 500ppm and 600ppm, i know it's ~550ppm

probably gonna have to invest in a bluelab guardian monitor eventually...

but here's the question of the hour - if she takes N down to 80% - how will i even know that? PPM isn't exactly specific.
 
iceman2494

iceman2494

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I have been going by plants and ph . When I get a huge dip in ph I know something is up . Usually it’s time to up my ppm . So far 2 ml each kicks me back in right direction. Ph for the next couple days are stable till it gets hungry.
 
3rd Monkey

3rd Monkey

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schmebulock said:
ok good to know - and great point on the percentages. i may have to get out my more accurate PPM meter too. The truncheon only does increments of 100. if it flashes between 500ppm and 600ppm, i know it's ~550ppm

probably gonna have to invest in a bluelab guardian monitor eventually...

but here's the question of the hour - if she takes N down to 80% - how will i even know that? PPM isn't exactly specific.
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It's not specific at all, that was just an example to show you how it offsets ratios if you don't top off til it bottoms out.

When it starts to taper off, that will give you an idea of how much "extra" ppm is being unused in the res. You make your adjustments from there based upon your plant reactions, then you know exactly how to tailor feed.

Example.

500ppm to start. Bucket gets down to 300ppm but starts showing tip burn. That means that your N ratio is too high. Reset the bucket with lower N. 500ppm drops down to 200ppm but starts showing K def. You know you need more K in your concentration. It's just tailoring. Usually it's easier to get it tailored in veg.
 
schmebulock

schmebulock

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3rd Monkey said:
It's not specific at all, that was just an example to show you how it offsets ratios if you don't top off til it bottoms out.

When it starts to taper off, that will give you an idea of how much "extra" ppm is being unused in the res. You make your adjustments from there based upon your plant reactions, then you know exactly how to tailor feed.

Example.

500ppm to start. Bucket gets down to 300ppm but starts showing tip burn. That means that your N ratio is too high. Reset the bucket with lower N. 500ppm drops down to 200ppm but starts showing K def. You know you need more K in your concentration. It's just tailoring. Usually it's easier to get it tailored in veg.
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ahh makes sense - okay so i'll just truly need to pay better attention to the deficiencies. the only one I can instantly identify is calmag for now lol and even then that's not that great because calcium deficiencies and magnesium deficiencies are different
 
BigOleNugs19

BigOleNugs19

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Dont mean to interrupt the great nute talk going on, but I just wanna throw in a quick thought. I am doing a dwc now and I am running the AN sensi line with pH perfect. All this talk of pH fluctuation is making me wonder about the pH part of my nutrients... how stable will my pH be? How long will it stay in range?

I will try to keep track of all this and report back to you guys just so we all learn from my experience.
 
3rd Monkey

3rd Monkey

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schmebulock said:
ahh makes sense - okay so i'll just truly need to pay better attention to the deficiencies. the only one I can instantly identify is calmag for now lol and even then that's not that great because calcium deficiencies and magnesium deficiencies are different
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It's a hell of a good start. Calmag defs are ALWAYS 1 of 3 things. PH (yours is good), lack of (you are adding plenty), or it's locked out...

Seeing your ratios and knowing that you aren't letting it feed down, it's most definitely locked out. You have more than enough calmag in there.
 
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