Why do you oppose universal, single-payer healthcare?

blu3bird

blu3bird

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BurtMaklin said:
@Fogdog

We can argue symantics of what insurance is or isn't, but really, it's irrelevant.

Universal healthcare is just that, universal. What you want is something different, something that allows you to keep your privilege. From what I gather from your other comments in this thread and others, you believe everyone should have something, just not what you have. You have assigned yourself a greater value than other human beings because you can afford private insurance, or any number of reasons why you deem yourself more deserving.

What you should be doing is requiring your government (the same government that bailed out big banks, cut taxes for the rich, gives handouts to corporations, etc...) to provide care that brings everyone up to top tier healthcare standards and not create barriers for vulnerable citizens based on your own bigoted idea of who deserves what.
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I know that you weren't talking to me, but...
...you just don't get it. No one thinks that they're better or more deserving than the next guy.

I work hard everyday, I can afford to have nice private insurance for myself. That should be my own CHOICE to buy my own insurance if that's what I prefer. It's not "privilege" if I'm given a CHOICE.

If the government is going to provide something for me or the rest of America, then it should be premium coverage as we all are entitled to that. Medicare is not premium coverage though.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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abandonconflict said:
I would opt out of coverage for shit that doesn't affect me
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The purpose of insurance is to cover the things that are unpredictable. The entire idea behind the concept is that it's a safety feature to prevent the things that could happen to you, like a car accident or genetic disease, from killing you or crippling you financially if you don't have the money to pay for the treatment to fix it
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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abandonconflict said:
Yes, incidental injury should be covered. We are in agreement there. However, I do not wish to pay for coverage for preventable shit that I take very active measures to avoid.
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Then we have a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare in America means. I believe access to affordable healthcare is a fundamental human right. Apparently you don't. I think addiction and mental health play a pretty big role in having an unhealthy lifestyle, and in the majority of cases, it's not the person's fault who is going through it, it's a complicated process that should be examined by professionals. I'm not going to decide someone doesn't deserve the treatment they need because the lifestyle they've led resulted in some medical condition. Everyone deserves access to the best healthcare available, regardless of ability to pay for it, regardless if they smoked 20 packs of cigarettes a day and developed lung cancer.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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blu3bird said:
Because those who are on it have nothing else, so naturally they will approve of it
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That statement is devoid of all logic

Medicare is popular because people like it, people like it because it works. 85% of the Democratic party supports universal healthcare, 52% of the Republican party supports it. It's going to happen sooner or later, and three years after Sanders ran on it, when Hillary Clinton said it would "Never ever come to pass", nearly every Democratic candidate has endorsed it. It's here to stay
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
Then we have a fundamental disagreement on what healthcare in America means. I believe access to affordable healthcare is a fundamental human right. Apparently you don't. I think addiction and mental health play a pretty big role in having an unhealthy lifestyle, and in the majority of cases, it's not the person's fault who is going through it, it's a complicated process that should be examined by professionals. I'm not going to decide someone doesn't deserve the treatment they need because the lifestyle they've led resulted in some medical condition. Everyone deserves access to the best healthcare available, regardless of ability to pay for it, regardless if they smoked 20 packs of cigarettes a day and developed lung cancer.
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Public option. Let him decide what he wants. Make the public option better than private insurance. If the government can't provide equal or better coverage at same or lower price at the same or better quality then the detractors are right.
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
That statement is devoid of all logic

Medicare is popular because people like it, people like it because it works. 85% of the Democratic party supports universal healthcare, 52% of the Republican party supports it. It's going to happen sooner or later, and three years after Sanders ran on it, when Hillary Clinton said it would "Never ever come to pass", nearly every Democratic candidate has endorsed it. It's here to stay
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public option.
 
Padawanbater2

Padawanbater2

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Fogdog said:
Public option. Let him decide what he wants. Make the public option better than private insurance. If the government can't provide equal or better coverage at same or lower price at the same or better quality then the detractors are right.
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Why will wealthy people buy into a public option if they can afford private insurance?
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

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Padawanbater2 said:
How's it a fundamental human right if 27 million Americans don't get it under the policy you support?

What don't I get exactly?

Do you know what 'fundamental' means?
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public option. People who can't afford coverage are enrolled in Medicare. Make Medicare as good or better than private insurance and there will be no issues.
 
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