Renewable Energy + Battery Storage = Fossil Fuels Obsolete, Even Natural Gas

doublejj

doublejj

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hillbill said:
In America we subsidize the incredibly filthy rich Carbon industry and Idiot wants to loosen emissions standards here while the rest of the planet is moving to modern renewable sources of energy. trump can't change that.

With electric vehicles and self driving electrics only just above the horizon it will take decades for the eventual dominators to shake out. Many are companies and ideas not yet in existence.

America has the ability to lead to a better, safer and cleaner and more climate stable world. Instead we have a constant line of jibber jab tweets from a bitter and humorless and hopelessly dishonest malevolent self-appointed Messiah to America.
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That's why I'm rooting for Tesla...
 
ttystikk

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eddy600 said:
This is typical of a lot of manufacturing in many fields.A team assembles something and quality control inspectors come behind And put these on a punch list to fix.Looking at the picture the plug above it is left unplugged,most likely to highlite the missing nut & washer. Most companys wouldn't want to stop production over a simple nut & washer something that is a quick fix when the parts arrive.
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Toyota put a stop to this bullshit in the 1960s. They instituted the policy of stopping the line to bring attention to every problem- and then solving that problem so it never happened again.

They did not need and never built the big room at the end of the line where quality control techs went through the car to make sure it was screwed together properly.

Many, if not most other manufacturers have long since followed suit.

That's what the Malcom Baldridge Quality Awards in America are all about. In Japan, the same thing is called the Deming Prize for Total Quality Management, named after the American who pioneered the practice after WWII.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming

Read 'The Machine That Changed the World' by James Womack, et al

Read also 'The Deming Management Method' by Mary Walton

No credible manufacturing facility just slaps shit together anymore and expects to stay in business. Musk is a huckster and he's about to be caught with his pants down.
 
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ttystikk

ttystikk

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doublejj said:
lol.....short sellers are set to lose million$ and are pulling out all the stops. Tesla's are in very high demand. When Tesla lists a big inventory of cars for sale, then I will believe they have a demand problem.
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BWAHAHAHA!

Soooooo how did them short sellers do last week?

I wish I was one of them!
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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TacoMac said:
TESLA LEADERSHIP LEAVING LIKE RATS FROM A SINKING SHIP.
THEY KNOW THE END IS NIGH AND GOT OUT WHILE THE GETTING WAS GOOD.
  • January 2018 - Jason Mendez, director of manufacturing engineering: LinkedIn profile does not list next position
  • January 2018 - Will McColl, manager of equipment engineering: founded WaveForm Design
  • February 2018 - Jon McNeill, president of global sales and services: became COO of Lyft
  • March 2018 - Eric Branderiz, chief accounting officer: became CFO of Enphase Energy
  • March 2018 - Susan Repo, corporate treasurer and vice president of finance: became CFO of Topia (she left Topia in June, according to her LinkedIn page)
  • April 2018 - Jim Keller, head of Autopilot hardware engineering: became head of silicon engineering at Intel
  • April 2018 - Georg Ell, director of Western Europe operations: became CEO of Smoothwall
  • May 2018 - Matthew Schwall, director of field performance engineering: became heady of field safety at Waymo
  • July 2018 - Ganesh Srivats, vice president overseeing retail, delivery, and marketing: became CEO of Moda Operandi
  • September 2018 - Sarah O'Brien, vice president of communications: became VP of executive communications at Facebook
  • September 2018 - Gabrielle Toledano, chief people officer: became executive in residence at Comcast Ventures
  • September 2018 - Dave Morton, chief accounting officer: became CFO of Anaplan
  • September 2018 - Liam O'Connor, vice president of global supply management: became chief procurement officer and head of bikes and scooters at Lyft
  • September 2018 - Antoin Abou-Haydar, senior director of production and quality: became vice president of global quality for Byton
  • October 2018 - Justin McAnear, vice president of worldwide finance and operations: became CFO of 10X Genomics
  • November 2018 - Phil Rothenberg, vice president in the legal department: became general counsel of Sonder
  • November 2018 - Jeff Jones, head of global security: LinkedIn profile does not list next position
  • November 2018 - Dan Kim, senior director of global sales, marketing, and delivery: became director of Airbnb Plus at Airbnb
  • December 2018 - Aaron Chew, director of investor relations: LinkedIn profile does not list next position
  • January 2019 — Todd Maron, general counsel: LinkedIn profile does not list next position
  • January 2019 — Charles Mwangi , senior director of engineering: LinkedIn profile says he is working at an unnamed startup
  • February 2019 — Cindy Nicola, vice president of global recruiting: LinkedIn profile does not list next position
  • February 2019 — Dane Butswinkas, general counsel: returning to his trial practice at the firm Williams & Connolly
  • March 2019 — Deepak Ahuja, CFO: retired
  • March 2019 — Praveen Arichandran, director of growth: joining Citizen in April to lead growth.
  • April 2019 — Karl Wagner, senior director of global security: PTSD and suicide-prevention advocacy
  • May 2019 — Dave Arnold, senior director of global communications: LinkedIn profile does not list next position.
  • June 2019 — Felicia Mayo, vice president of human resources and head of diversity: LinkedIn profile does not list next position.
  • June 2019 — PeterHochholdinger, vice president of production: vice president of manufacturing at Lucid Motors.
  • June 2019 — Steve MacManus, vice president of interior & exterior engineering: next position unclear.
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Hey, didn't another senior Management member leave just last week?
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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doublejj said:
That's why I'm rooting for Tesla...
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Electric cars aren't magic and they aren't rocket science; they're glorified golf carts.

Tesla is going to get its ass handed to it on a silver platter.

There will be a feeding frenzy over the carcass in 5 years or less.

I'm looking forward to using their scrap motors and batteries in other projects, such as stationary storage for renewable energy and converting ICE cars to electric power.
 
hillbill

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Oil subsidies are damming up and damning the quick emergence of more electric and hybrid vehicles. Any intelligent country like China will quickly take advantage of our absent leadership in meaningful research. Electrics will be dominant in the near future if consrvadicks like it or not.
 
dandyrandy

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hillbill

hillbill

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Pretty fair amount on Hydrogen and sunshine and wind around. Huge amount of sun energy here every day. Actually these are more primary and direct sources of energy as initial solar energy is not converted to carbon and concentrated/compressed over time only to be harvested millions of years later as peat or coal or oil and gas. In the end it seems like that more direct route will be wildly more abundant and efficient as tech becomes more refined.
 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

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ttystikk said:
Toyota put a stop to this bullshit in the 1960s. They instituted the policy of stopping the line to bring attention to every problem- and then solving that problem so it never happened again.

They did not need and never built the big room at the end of the line where quality control techs went through the car to make sure it was screwed together properly.

Many, if not most other manufacturers have long since followed suit.

That's what the Malcom Baldridge Quality Awards in America are all about. In Japan, the same thing is called the Deming Prize for Total Quality Management, named after the American who pioneered the practice after WWII.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming

Read 'The Machine That Changed the World' by James Womack, et al

Read also 'The Deming Management Method' by Mary Walton

No credible manufacturing facility just slaps shit together anymore and expects to stay in business. Musk is a huckster and he's about to be caught with his pants down.
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A huckster? Really that’s priceless coming from you. Perhaps you don’t understand the meaning but seems your are the king of hucksters lol. From peddling false, and highly questionable facts. From promoting yourself as a consultant that you only have a rudimentary knowledge. By pretending to grow top shelf product. All of these and more make for the old adage “the pot calling the kettle black” lol. Thank you for returning to make my morning coffee that much more enjoyable.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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dandyrandy said:
Some believe hydrogen is the future. China is pushing toward it. China has over half of the electric vehicles in the world. This millwright I worked with bought a Tesla a few years before I retired. He drove it to work every day. Bucket of KFC in passenger seat on Wednesday. Three teeth in his head. Working overtime he pulled $170k a year.

https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1123693_the-godfather-of-evs-in-china-has-turned-his-attention-to-hydrogen-cars
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Cars don't need to be power plants. Electrics already make more sense than gasoline and hydrogen is just gas without the carbon attached. You can't get the energy back out of hydrogen as efficiently as welcome cars get the energy back out of their batteries, so it's a dead end.

Several hybrid and electric models are coming out with rooftop solar panels. That makes a lot of sense considering that they spend most of their life sitting in a parking lot. They may as well be doing something useful while they're there!

At the rate batteries are improving, everything that moves will be electric in 30 years.

Today there are electric;
Ships
Aircraft
Cars
Trucks
Trains
Bikes
Scooters
Industrial vehicles

They're only going to get better from here.

@doublejj Musk says he will start selling cars with 400 mile range soon.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

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Budley Doright said:
A huckster? Really that’s priceless coming from you. Perhaps you don’t understand the meaning but seems your are the king of hucksters lol. From peddling false, and highly questionable facts. From promoting yourself as a consultant that you only have a rudimentary knowledge. By pretending to grow top shelf product. All of these and more make for the old adage “the pot calling the kettle black” lol. Thank you for returning to make my morning coffee that much more enjoyable.
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How about that; a 2 minute read that never gets around to refuting one word I said. You don't happen to write speeches for Republican politicians, do you?

Don't let the stupid here infect you.
 
Budley Doright

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ttystikk said:
How about that; a 2 minute read that never gets around to refuting one word I said. You don't happen to write speeches for Republican politicians, do you?

Don't let the stupid here infect you.
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Actually I refuted pretty much everything you do say and have said since you arrived after being runout of the last board you were on. But thank you for taking the time to post what you have read and making it sound like you actually know the science behind it .,..... cough. Cars are like glorified golf carts, um ok I guess in a rudimentary way, like 4 tires. Calling Musk a huckster, after his company produced 86,000 cars in 2018 makes you sound stupid. Does he have issues with his company? Sure does but the one thing he is not is a huckster, again read the definition then look in the mirror.
 
dandyrandy

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ttystikk said:
Cars don't need to be power plants. Electrics already make more sense than gasoline and hydrogen is just gas without the carbon attached. You can't get the energy back out of hydrogen as efficiently as welcome cars get the energy back out of their batteries, so it's a dead end.

Several hybrid and electric models are coming out with rooftop solar panels. That makes a lot of sense considering that they spend most of their life sitting in a parking lot. They may as well be doing something useful while they're there!

At the rate batteries are improving, everything that moves will be electric in 30 years.

Today there are electric;
Ships
Aircraft
Cars
Trucks
Trains
Bikes
Scooters
Industrial vehicles

They're only going to get better from here.

@doublejj Musk says he will start selling cars with 400 mile range soon.
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Batteries even the newer designed ones suck in cold weather. Solid state design may help but is still in development. Charge time is a real problem as well. At this time the availability of charging stations is terrible. Imagine all of the people with gas vehicles trying to charge. And the time required. Hydrogen etc. are easier to implement as far as filling stations. I just retired from the largest industrial factory under roof. We had electric forklifts but mostly lp gas. The various lifts used would be charging more than moving. While true electric storage will improve battery weight vs explosive fuel storage volume per mile is a problem for electric. Power density. No doubt a properly designed electric brushless motor is certainly the better engine source batteries are still the problem.
 
TacoMac

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The major problem is that it takes more energy to extract hydrogen than it provides. To do so on a mass scale would actually be far worse environmentally than electric vehicles.

After all, the number one source for hydrogen is steaming natural gas.

Electric cars and salt reactors get rid of two problems simultaneously: all emissions of any kind and all of the planets nuclear waste.
 
dandyrandy

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The energy required to manufacture batteries etc. should be included in the formula. Plus disposal/recycle. Batteries still suck.
 
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