Yeah! It's Bud Worm Season. Pics

[jbcCT]

Got them good and soaked with neem at dusk. How long you think I should wait to hit them with the BT again?

I've been treating every three to five days, late at night. For my part of the country, northeast, now is a critical time. Flower tops are forming. Stretching, packing on sugar leaf. Final leg of the race.

What makes bud worm so deadly, you don't need an infestation. You won't always see them until the flowers are formed and you got brown chunks of bud.

I'm going to spray every three to five days up until two weeks before I chop. For me that means till mid October.

I wash all my outdoor bud as I take it down. Aside from picking up dust, helps sterilize. 5 gallon home Depot buckets. One with some hydrogen peroxide, one clean water, then hang.

I go a little nuts on cleanliness. Surgical gloves, use my spring loaded pruners to open the bud up a bit, check for critters. To me, it's like making wine for friends, family and myself. I want a super clean product. That dank sticky outdoor.

Makes you think though. That's why those mendo boys doing trees out there, in some cases are dumping pesticide on the stuff not headed for dispensary. The Mexicans don't give a f@#$, it's the money for them.

 

[jbcCT]

I've had a few worms in my veg garden at times. But never in my grow....yet. Disgusting!!

Outdoor it's not a question of If but when. Once they blast into flower worms love bud. But good for you if you don't get them.

 

[jbcCT]

What region is this? I have not seen the worms here in the PNW.....YET!

You won't always see them either.

 

[SuperNutz]

It's gotten pretty bad in Norcal with all the runoff from synthetic nutes and whatnot

I've been treating every three to five days, late at night. For my part of the country, northeast, now is a critical time. Flower tops are forming. Stretching, packing on sugar leaf. Final leg of the race.

What makes bud worm so deadly, you don't need an infestation. You won't always see them until the flowers are formed and you got brown chunks of bud.

I'm going to spray every three to five days up until two weeks before I chop. For me that means till mid October.

I wash all my outdoor bud as I take it down. Aside from picking up dust, helps sterilize. 5 gallon home Depot buckets. One with some hydrogen peroxide, one clean water, then hang.

I go a little nuts on cleanliness. Surgical gloves, use my spring loaded pruners to open the bud up a bit, check for critters. To me, it's like making wine for friends, family and myself. I want a super clean product. That dank sticky outdoor.

Makes you think though. That's why those mendo boys doing trees out there, in some cases are dumping pesticide on the stuff not headed for dispensary. The Mexicans don't give a f@#$, it's the money for them.

Hit all the gals past preflower with a good soak of BT. Conditions were perfect I think, cool and breezy with low humidity. Had to go straight into the shower lol, upper Midwest winds constantly change direction, literally N,S,E,W … I'm probably on your same timeline for chop, keep me updated.

 

[jbcCT]

It's gotten pretty bad in Norcal with all the runoff from synthetic nutes and whatnot


Hit all the gals past preflower with a good soak of BT. Conditions were perfect I think, cool and breezy with low humidity. Had to go straight into the shower lol, upper Midwest winds constantly change direction, literally N,S,E,W … I'm probably on your same timeline for chop, keep me updated.

Funny you should say that. Everytime I go out to spray I'm covered in the shit.

Just did a full misting. Had an hour of rain yesterday. I'm trying to get in close to the stem with it. Pretty soon the growth of the flower will lock me out of those nooks and crannies. Haven't seen a worm at all this year. That can be more scary than seeing them.

 

[SuperNutz]

Funny you should say that. Everytime I go out to spray I'm covered in the shit.

Just did a full misting. Had an hour of rain yesterday. I'm trying to get in close to the stem with it. Pretty soon the growth of the flower will lock me out of those nooks and crannies. Haven't seen a worm at all this year. That can be more scary than seeing them.

I've been seeing them for weeks, even in veg they where hanging out. Pluck off and kill a few pretty much daily. Some are really tiny and hard to find. Sucks tho, rained for 12 hours straight this morning into evening so gonna be back out spraying again tomorrow. Never ending work with outdoor lol.

 

[RipeLoud]

I previously posted in the wrong section:
I just came in from checking on my girl and found small caterpillars
Last evening I sprayed , this morning I went to check and found six additional caterpillars on my girl afraid I might lose all ?

I found an informative article with pictures by searching google, "Washington State University Extension Rose Tobacco budworm".
Maybe the article will help others as well.

 

[SuperNutz]

To spray or not to spray? Weather forecast 2 nights ago was a 10% chance of rain so I watered. Then it rained from like 4 am till about 6 pm or something like that soaking everything. Then the fog rolled in a few hours later and stuck around till 8 this morning and when I went out everything was still drenched, so Im guessing the BT from 3 nights ago is useless. They say 60% chance of rain tonight but I think it's just a wild guess being they're wrong constantly.

 

[jbcCT]

I've been seeing them for weeks, even in veg they where hanging out. Pluck off and kill a few pretty much daily. Some are really tiny and hard to find. Sucks tho, rained for 12 hours straight this morning into evening so gonna be back out spraying again tomorrow. Never ending work with outdoor lol.

Stay on top of it and don't get discouraged. If your seeing them, if they've establish a visual presence, you need to spray every two to three days.

I'm on a 4 to 7 day schedule and always after rain. (Have a large yard tent to sheild when needed).

I'm assuming they are present and I can't see them. Been spraying since early July if I'm not mistaken.

Good article on the fall armyworm. It's destroying crops across China. They are dousing corn in pesticide. These suckers are nasty.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-12/fall-armyworm-invades-china-wreaks-havoc-agriculture-lands

 

[SuperNutz]

In the hour I was outside it went to 80%,

Stay on top of it and don't get discouraged. If your seeing them, if they've establish a visual presence, you need to spray every two to three days.

I'm on a 4 to 7 day schedule and always after rain. (Have a large yard tent to sheild when needed).

I'm assuming they are present and I can't see them. Been spraying since early July if I'm not mistaken.

Good article on the fall armyworm. It's destroying crops across China. They are dousing corn in pesticide. These suckers are nasty.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-12/fall-armyworm-invades-china-wreaks-havoc-agriculture-lands

Just woke up and we got absolutely no rain lol. Now they say 0% for today and 80% for Sunday, dumb ass meteorologists.

 

[SuperNutz]

Stay on top of it and don't get discouraged. If your seeing them, if they've establish a visual presence, you need to spray every two to three days.

I'm on a 4 to 7 day schedule and always after rain. (Have a large yard tent to sheild when needed).

I'm assuming they are present and I can't see them. Been spraying since early July if I'm not mistaken.

Good article on the fall armyworm. It's destroying crops across China. They are dousing corn in pesticide. These suckers are nasty.

https://www.zerohedge.com/news/2019-08-12/fall-armyworm-invades-china-wreaks-havoc-agriculture-lands

Wasn't supposed to "possibly rain" till tomorrow evening. Why do I hear thunder 3 hours after spraying 3 gallons of mixed BT? Also, fugin sht, my neighbor has about 100 acres of soy growing this year 30 feet from my plants. This is gonna be a rough couple months.

 

[RipeLoud]

I am a person who enjoys gardening and loves to watch my garden bloom. I have a variety of flowers which bloom throughout the seasons. Winter and spring I have pansies, daffodils, hellebores and azalea bushes. During the summer I have Coneflower, Black-eyed Susans, Hibiscus, butterfly bushes and other varieties of plants which attract butterflies. During the fall my Chrysanthemums, and Asters give the yard its color.
Me and my dumb ass, Live and learn from my mistakes!!! If these plants attract butterflies they also attract moths, and as I now know there is a type of moth which produce BUD WORMS.
My single girl is in a pot, I placed her in an area for the very best exposure to the sun. Also in the area only 3 foot away on each side were butterfly bushes and other butterfly attracting plants.
After reading several post here and researching other articles online, I realized there are bud worms on my single lady. I will take the butterfly bushes as well as other plants which attract butterflies, out of the area and place elsewhere.

Again live and learn from my mistakes!!!

Two days ago I sprayed with B.T Spinosad, no rain expected for 5 days, I will repeat the spray after it rains and hope the bud worms have not destroyed much of my product. Next year I will start spraying early in the season to avoid the problem.

 

[jbcCT]

Wasn't supposed to "possibly rain" till tomorrow evening. Why do I hear thunder 3 hours after spraying 3 gallons of mixed BT? Also, fugin sht, my neighbor has about 100 acres of soy growing this year 30 feet from my plants. This is gonna be a rough couple months.

I just got in from spraying. Had an hour long sunshower. Heat wave for the next two days in the NE. Was 90 today, pool all day for me gardening. Still seeing brown and white moths, still spraying.....

 

[jbcCT]

I am a person who enjoys gardening and loves to watch my garden bloom. I have a variety of flowers which bloom throughout the seasons. Winter and spring I have pansies, daffodils, hellebores and azalea bushes. During the summer I have Coneflower, Black-eyed Susans, Hibiscus, butterfly bushes and other varieties of plants which attract butterflies. During the fall my Chrysanthemums, and Asters give the yard its color.
Me and my dumb ass, Live and learn from my mistakes!!! If these plants attract butterflies they also attract moths, and as I now know there is a type of moth which produce BUD WORMS.
My single girl is in a pot, I placed her in an area for the very best exposure to the sun. Also in the area only 3 foot away on each side were butterfly bushes and other butterfly attracting plants.
After reading several post here and researching other articles online, I realized there are bud worms on my single lady. I will take the butterfly bushes as well as other plants which attract butterflies, out of the area and place elsewhere.

Again live and learn from my mistakes!!!

Two days ago I sprayed with B.T Spinosad, no rain expected for 5 days, I will repeat the spray after it rains and hope the bud worms have not destroyed much of my product. Next year I will start spraying early in the season to avoid the problem.

You don't need to move your plants around. You need a bottle of Monterey BT concentrate and you need to spray your whole garden with it. Next year you'll be ready.

My whole veg to flower pre spray was born out of your very problem. Lost my two biggest plants last year. You have to assume they will be present every season. Make the first bite the last...

 

[SuperNutz]

I just got in from spraying. Had an hour long sunshower. Heat wave for the next two days in the NE. Was 90 today, pool all day for me gardening. Still seeing brown and white moths, still spraying.....

I'm having a lucky streak I guess lol, both late lastnight and this evening the storms missed me by a couple miles. Looks like heat and humidity coming here again too. Had to do a serious cleanout of the insides of the canopy today and spray for mildew from that 14 hours of rain followed by 10 hours of fog the other day, friggin beat lol.

 

[CanadianJim]

You don't need to move your plants around. You need a bottle of Monterey BT concentrate and you need to spray your whole garden with it. Next year you'll be ready.

My whole veg to flower pre spray was born out of your very problem. Lost my two biggest plants last year. You have to assume they will be present every season. Make the first bite the last...

Unless you've got milkweed, don't spray that. Monarch butterflies will only lay their eggs on milkweed, and that's the only thing their caterpillars can eat.

 

[RipeLoud]

You don't need to move your plants around. You need a bottle of Monterey BT concentrate and you need to spray your whole garden with it. Next year you'll be ready.

My whole veg to flower pre spray was born out of your very problem. Lost my two biggest plants last year. You have to assume they will be present every season. Make the first bite the last...

Thanks for the reply and info. I am now spraying with Monterey B.T Spinosad, and will start as you suggest pre-spray, earlier in the season next year, as I plan for a larger garden.
Thanks again, PEACE

 

[jbcCT]

I previously posted in the wrong section:
I just came in from checking on my girl and found small caterpillars View attachment 4380136
Last evening I sprayed View attachment 4380142, this morning I went to check and found six additional caterpillars on my girl afraid I might lose all ?

I found an informative article with pictures by searching google, "Washington State University Extension Rose Tobacco budworm".
Maybe the article will help others as well.

Any articles on crops and worms are a great resource.

In regards to your plants. Hose them down with BT. Every two days if the worms are visible.

If you nip it it the bud now you'll be able to salvage some flower. Be prepared at harvest to thoroughly inspect all the flower as you do the first trim. Your looking for what they call frass. That's the black poop they leave behind. Use your trimmer to peel back the bud so you can inspect it.

Do this before you hang to dry. You don't want paratroopers dropping down from your drying rack cause then you can't tell where they came from.

Next year, you will start spraying BT at pre flower. Instead of reacting to the problem you kill it at the source. As soon as they hatch you want them chewing on BT. They are so small at birth they eat that shit and dry up and fall off your plants.

 

[jbcCT]

Unless you've got milkweed, don't spray that. Monarch butterflies will only lay their eggs on milkweed, and that's the only thing their caterpillars can eat.

Can you expand on that? Milkweed?

All I know is cabbage worms born of the brown moth love to eat my plants. I've witnessed BT stop infestations so I'm going to keep spraying cause the alternative is to lose all my plants to these nasty suckers.

 

[jbcCT]

I'm having a lucky streak I guess lol, both late lastnight and this evening the storms missed me by a couple miles. Looks like heat and humidity coming here again too. Had to do a serious cleanout of the insides of the canopy today and spray for mildew from that 14 hours of rain followed by 10 hours of fog the other day, friggin beat lol.

Been watching doplar like a hawk myself. Lot of pop up storms in the NE, was 92 degrees today. I have a massive tent but unfortunately have to work for a living so I can't get them out of the way all the time.
Just trying to make it to the finish line. I'm like two weeks into flower with a few still stretching before full flower.