Renewable Energy + Battery Storage = Fossil Fuels Obsolete, Even Natural Gas

Budley Doright

Budley Doright

Well-Known Member
ttystikk said:
So I ran across an interesting study recently on utility level power storage;

http://re100.eng.anu.edu.au/global/

The upshot of the article was that there are hundreds of potential locations for pumped hydro electric storage throughout the West and East of the United States- not so much in the middle. Total capacity of all these theoretical sites is something on the order of 200 times the projected requirement if the entire country went to renewable wind and solar power generation.

Obviously, not all of these potential sites will be suitable; some are too far from water, others already have infrastructure in the basin, etc, etc. But there are plenty of places to choose from.

Why does this matter? Because sufficient utility level energy storage is the ONLY fundamental obstacle to a complete change to renewable energy in America, home of the highest energy consuming public on Earth.

PHES is clean, renewable, non toxic, reversible, compatible with other users such as irrigation and recreation, and a fully proven workhorse technology already in use in hundreds of locations worldwide.

It's dead simple; use energy to be stored to pump water uphill and store it in a reservoir. When energy is needed, let it drive generators as it falls back down. Round trip is about 70% efficient, sometimes better. Energy storage lasts as long as the water stays in the reservoir.
Click to expand...
And already 20 sites in the US. Ontario has a big facility in Niagara. Their actually running about 80% efficiency. Still a few drawbacks like the flooded land lol.
 
ttystikk

ttystikk

Well-Known Member
Budley Doright said:
And already 20 sites in the US. Ontario has a big facility in Niagara. Their actually running about 80% efficiency. Still a few drawbacks like the flooded land lol.
Click to expand...
The point of the study was to show that there are lots of places to choose from, far more than needed for full conversion to renewables.

If 80% is now a standard, then what are we waiting for?

Besides oil patch fatcats, petrodollar hegemony and delusions of empire, that is...
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

Well-Known Member
Not going to matter. China's car market has been in the shitter all year. It's the worst they've had in 20 years and is getting worse.

That's why China tariffed the cars - they knew it wouldn't matter because cars aren't selling anyway. It was just a token retaliation.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

Well-Known Member
TacoMac said:
Not going to matter. China's car market has been in the shitter all year. It's the worst they've had in 20 years and is getting worse.

That's why China tariffed the cars - they knew it wouldn't matter because cars aren't selling anyway. It was just a token retaliation.
Click to expand...
Just made Telsa more attractive then Buick to those that are buying.

So it matters.
 
doublejj

doublejj

Well-Known Member
TacoMac said:
Not going to matter. China's car market has been in the shitter all year. It's the worst they've had in 20 years and is getting worse.

That's why China tariffed the cars - they knew it wouldn't matter because cars aren't selling anyway. It was just a token retaliation.
Click to expand...
Tesla Model 3 Sales Booming In China, While Gigafactory 3 Construction Going 24/7...


https://cleantechnica.com/2019/04/02/tesla-model-3-sales-booming-in-china-while-gigafactory-3-construction-going-24-7/
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

Well-Known Member
Grandpapy said:
Just made Telsa more attractive then Buick to those that are buying.

So it matters.
Click to expand...
No, it doesn't.

Nobody in China is going to buy a Tesla right now.

The reason for that is Tesla is 'SUPPOSED' to have it's new China factory running in a few months, sometime between December this year and March next year.

When and if they do, the China produced car will be 30% less than the American import.

Nobody is going to blow 15,000 dollars when all they have to do is wait 6 or 8 months.

Especially when the car market is so weak and getting worse every day.

Tesla's factory is set to open to the worst car market modern China has ever seen.
 
TacoMac

TacoMac

Well-Known Member
Grandpapy said:
Retail sales of sedans, sport utility vehicles, minivans and multipurpose vehicles rose 4.9% to 1.8 million units in June from a year earlier, according to preliminary numbers from the China Passenger Car Association Monday. That's the first increase since May 2018 for the world's biggest market.Jul 8, 2019
https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-1-d&q=car+sales+in+china
Click to expand...
Literally the first words from your link:

China's auto sales fell 9.6% to 2.04 million in June from a year ago, according to data released today

Tesla doesn't make a proper SUV, minivan or full size sedan other than the model S which isn't selling well in China or anywhere else anymore.
 
Grandpapy

Grandpapy

Well-Known Member
No, this is:

Retail sales of sedans, sport utility vehicles, minivans and multipurpose vehicles rose 4.9% to 1.8 million units in June from a year earlier, according to preliminary numbers from the China Passenger Car Association Monday. That's the first increase since May 2018 for the world's biggest market. Jul 8, 2019
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
TacoMac said:
Not going to matter. China's car market has been in the shitter all year. It's the worst they've had in 20 years and is getting worse.

That's why China tariffed the cars - they knew it wouldn't matter because cars aren't selling anyway. It was just a token retaliation.
Click to expand...
Why should Tesla be concerned about the conventional car market? The electric car market grew by single digits last year when the conventional car market posted double digit declines? Not only is Tesla selling into a healthier market niche, Tesla is the largest EV seller in China and projected to be so into the middle of the next decade.

TacoMac said:
Literally the first words from your link:

China's auto sales fell 9.6% to 2.04 million in June from a year ago, according to data released today

Tesla doesn't make a proper SUV, minivan or full size sedan other than the model S which isn't selling well in China or anywhere else anymore.
Click to expand...
Grandpapy said:
No, this is:

Retail sales of sedans, sport utility vehicles, minivans and multipurpose vehicles rose 4.9% to 1.8 million units in June from a year earlier, according to preliminary numbers from the China Passenger Car Association Monday. That's the first increase since May 2018 for the world's biggest market. Jul 8, 2019
Click to expand...
Weird. I clicked on the link a few times. Sometimes the quote that taco posted and sometimes the quote that papy posted shows up. I'll let the code breakers explain.

Still though. What the article said about the state of the conventional car market in China shouldn't be used to draw conclusions about the EV-emerging-disruptive tech market. Time and again, while in the early-growth stage, sales from emerging disruptive technology tends to have little correlation to established tech markets. Its silly to use a statistic that has little to do with EV car market to predict what that market will do.

Not too different from the kid who sat in this seat thinking he was steering the car.

 
Budley Doright

Budley Doright

Well-Known Member
Fogdog said:
Why should Tesla be concerned about the conventional car market? The electric car market grew by single digits last year when the conventional car market posted double digit declines? Not only is Tesla selling into a healthier market niche, Tesla is the largest EV seller in China and projected to be so into the middle of the next decade.




Weird. I clicked on the link a few times. Sometimes the quote that taco posted and sometimes the quote that papy posted shows up. I'll let the code breakers explain.

Still though. What the article said about the state of the conventional car market in China shouldn't be used to draw conclusions about the EV-emerging-disruptive tech market. Time and again, while in the early-growth stage, sales from emerging disruptive technology tends to have little correlation to established tech markets. Its silly to use a statistic that has little to do with EV car market to predict what that market will do.

Not too different from the kid who sat in this seat thinking he was steering the car.

Click to expand...
I see the kids seat has dad’s beer holder lol. Ah yes the good old days of no seatbelts and lawn darts lol.
 
doublejj

doublejj

Well-Known Member
Tesla Model S, X, 3 to get power boost via software update in coming weeks.....
www.teslarati.com

Tesla Model S, X, 3 to get power boost via software update in coming weeks

Tesla vehicles will receive additional power increases, as well as improvements in Supercharging and drivability in the coming weeks via over-the-air software updates. CEO Elon Musk announced during Tesla’s Q3 earnings call that a number of power improvements will be made to the Model S, Model...
www.teslarati.com www.teslarati.com
 
Fogdog

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Tesla’s stock rally is costing short sellers $1.4 billion

www.marketwatch.com

Tesla’s stock rally is costing short sellers $1.4 billion

Tesla short sellers are facing $1.4 billion in paper losses as stock rallies more than 16% on Thursday.
www.marketwatch.com www.marketwatch.com

Tesla Inc. shares zoomed toward their highest level in months after the Silicon Valley car maker surprised Wall Street with a quarterly profit, but at least one corner of the equity market was licking its wounds on Thursday.
Tesla short sellers were in for about $1.4 billion in paper losses post third-quarter earnings, S3 Partners, a financial technology and analytics firm, said in a note. Before the rally, short sellers, who bet on a stock falling in price, were up more than $2 billion in mark-to-market profits.

Tesla is the second largest short in the U.S. equity market behind Apple Inc. Shorts sellers have been trimming their Tesla positions since June, and many reduced their exposure ahead of earnings, hedging for a strong earnings report. About $8.3 billion worth of shorts held on to their positions, however, “and took a major hit to their bottom line,” S3 said.
“We are expecting more short covering and the continuation of this long-term short squeeze as (Tesla’s) stock price continues to show strength,"
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Top