The Collapse Thread; Post Evidence That 'The End Is Nigh'

[ttystikk]

the 1% already have things the way they want them...why would they want to change anything when the status quo keeps them in power?

Yes, that's my point. Convincing the top 1% that making the change is in their best interest is the key to making it happen for everyone. That's how America has worked since it was founded.

There's money to be made in the transition to renewables, for example. That's certainly incentive enough for some.

Ending the subsidies for oil, gas and coal extraction is a tall order but if it's combined with incentives to switch, it could be made much more palatable. This is the essence of the Sanders approach. That's part of the reason for the big price tag.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

i'm not saying you're wrong about the 1%...i just do not understand what you're going to offer them that's attractive enough to get them to alter their current policies? they're rich, powerful, and don't give a shit about the "common good"...how do you negotiate with tyrants?

 

[ttystikk]

i'm not saying you're wrong about the 1%...i just do not understand what you're going to offer them that's attractive enough to get them to alter their current policies? they're rich, powerful, and don't give a shit about the "common good"...how do you negotiate with tyrants?

Offer them the chance to make money. It's about the only option that works.

You're absolutely right that it is not an easy nut to crack; if it were, we'd have done it by now.

 

[hanimmal]

Call it the End of the world. Collapse. Doomsday.

When resources run scarce, the climate spins out of control, the ecosystem dies, overcrowding wreaks global havoc.

You know, all the really good disaster movies all at once.

Share concerns, solutions, stories here.

Yellowstone (or any other of the 20+ active super volcanoes on the planet) blows, we are fucked. Humanity will make it, I will not bother trying to slip my genes into that shallow pool though.

It would be nice to learn that someone was trying to figure out how to harness/deactivate these volcanoes though. Maybe somehow divert the flow into some kind of city mould so when it cools it is useable. But that might be stupid if when draining it, you cause a air bubble and the roof collapses and you pop the volcano anyway.

Anything less than a giant meteor we can handle.

 

[ttystikk]

Yellowstone (or any other of the 20+ active super volcanoes on the planet) blows, we are fucked. Humanity will make it, I will not bother trying to slip my genes into that shallow pool though.

It would be nice to learn that someone was trying to figure out how to harness/deactivate these volcanoes though. Maybe somehow divert the flow into some kind of city mould so when it cools it is useable. But that might be stupid if when draining it, you cause a air bubble and the roof collapses and you pop the volcano anyway.

Anything less than a giant meteor we can handle.

A NASA scientist has developed a strategy to reduce the risk of Yellowstone exploding while providing huge amounts of carbon free geothermal energy. Expensive? Yes. But it is well worth exploring and it could well pay for itself both in energy generated and fossil fuels replaced.

Such a power source could even be throttled to buffer the peaks and valleys of wind and solar power generation. For the entire country...

 

[hanimmal]

A NASA scientist has developed a strategy to reduce the risk of Yellowstone exploding while providing huge amounts of carbon free geothermal energy. Expensive? Yes. But it is well worth exploring and it could well pay for itself both in energy generated and fossil fuels replaced.

Such a power source could even be throttled to buffer the peaks and valleys of wind and solar power generation. For the entire country...

Stuff like that is why I have faith humanity will be just fine. We have made it this far, no reason to think it will change anytime soon barring super volcano or a big enough meteor.

 

[ttystikk]

Stuff like that is why I have faith humanity will be just fine. We have made it this far, no reason to think it will change anytime soon barring super volcano or a big enough meteor.

We are a very young and fragile species living on the fragile skin of a molten planet in a very dangerous universe.

Arrogance about our chances is a luxury we cannot afford, individually or collectively.

 

[hanimmal]

We are a very young and fragile species living on the fragile skin of a molten planet in a very dangerous universe.

Arrogance about our chances is a luxury we cannot afford, individually or collectively.

That moves on a epic timescale that we really have no way to comprehend, we can have smashed time and again and had life overtime sprout up. There are things we won't survive, but life will sprout up again and cover what comes next, If something like that happens there is no way we can stop it today, so our best chance is to continue to make it easier for future generations to be as productive as possible to be better prepared as a species than we are now. That and try to not burn the place down before they take over.

 

[ttystikk]

That moves on a epic timescale that we really have no way to comprehend, we can have smashed time and again and had life overtime sprout up. There are things we won't survive, but life will sprout up again and cover what comes next, If something like that happens there is no way we can stop it today, so our best chance is to continue to make it easier for future generations to be as productive as possible to be better prepared as a species than we are now. That and try to not burn the place down before they take over.

That last part is the one I'm most concerned about. When we work together we are generally able to handle the rest. Working against each other is when our ongoing survival is in the greatest doubt.

 

[Chunky Stool]

now that i'm old, know what? fuck it. i'm not a superior mind, and i can see what's coming down the pike. i pity the ones who'll have to deal with the aftermath, but as long as it takes out the greedy little pigs that caused it, they may have a chance to do something better

I worry about reincarnation.
If that shit is real, nobody gets to sit on the sidelines and watch.

But I am comforted in knowing that karma will handle the orange turd.
Trump will be reincarnated as a tapeworm.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

That moves on a epic timescale that we really have no way to comprehend, we can have smashed time and again and had life overtime sprout up. There are things we won't survive, but life will sprout up again and cover what comes next, If something like that happens there is no way we can stop it today, so our best chance is to continue to make it easier for future generations to be as productive as possible to be better prepared as a species than we are now. That and try to not burn the place down before they take over.

there have been 5 mass extinction events in earth's history...the last happened before we existed as a species. 80-90% of terrestial and 60-70% of aquatic life died. the reason we even exist is that the last event wiped out 90% of our ancestor's predators and they could finally come out of hiding and start to expand.
if the volcano under yellowstone blows hard, it will fuck up agriculture worldwide for years, kill hundreds of thousand if not millions in a circle about 500 miles wide, mostly by suffocation, dump tons of ash into the ocean...but it won't kill everyone.
a meteor more than half a kilometer wide might...

 

[ttystikk]

there have been 5 mass extinction events in earth's history...the last happened before we existed as a species. 80-90% of terrestial and 60-70% of aquatic life died. the reason we even exist is that the last event wiped out 90% of our ancestor's predators and they could finally come out of hiding and start to expand.
if the volcano under yellowstone blows hard, it will fuck up agriculture worldwide for years, kill hundreds of thousand if not millions in a circle about 500 miles wide, mostly by suffocation, dump tons of ash into the ocean...but it won't kill everyone.
a meteor more than half a kilometer wide might...

Unless we see it coming.

 

[JayBio420]

I wonder if the sabre rattling with Iran will finally escalate into missiles flying soon.

Definitely not a win win scenario..

 

[ttystikk]

I wonder if the sabre rattling with Iran will finally escalate into missiles flying soon.

Definitely not a win win scenario..

It's just fine if we sell all the fighter planes, bombs, ammo, refueling and intelligence services to Saudi Arabia that they need to create the worst famine in the world while killing thousands of innocent civilians- but woe betide anyone who might give weapons to those people to defend themselves by attacking oil infrastructure without hurting anyone!

America's credibility is just about shot- that's a strong indicator of imminent collapse, at least of empire. Now to see if we can avoid Thucydides' trap.

 

[PokerJay83]

I’m more concerned with a manufactured Messianic Age and a complete Orwellian 1984 state than I am of the world ending. Seems we are getting close. How can we convince the bankers that we are fed up with the old bait and switch.. “provoke, create enemies, to start wars to create more debt.. all the while funding and arming our enemies?” Seems like the social consequences are harder to hide due to the technology. I see a complete economic collapse but no end to the world and certainly not by climate change.

 

[hanimmal]

manufactured Messianic Age and a complete Orwellian 1984 state than I am of the world ending

The world ending > a boogey man story based on a realistic application of technology that could be used to suppress knowledge using human flaws as the basis for a really great book.

How can we convince the bankers that we are fed up with the old bait and switch.. “provoke, create enemies, to start wars to create more debt..

Explain this one if you don't mind. How does the dude down the street that I get my accounts cash from do that?

all the while funding and arming our enemies?Seems like the social consequences are harder to hide due to the technology.

The better thing is the data we get to know how not to do what we did before. In the past people could do what people do and make decisions without understanding what was going on because they thought it was the right thing, it goes bad, they hide it, and the world keeps on turning. Now we can actually hold people accountable in these situations. There is not enough resources for the government to lock everyone up in our country. I always remember to thank our gun nuts for that one too.

I see a complete economic collapse but no end to the world and certainly not by climate change.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Human pollution is too much, the same was said about the leaded gasoline was not ruining the environment.

 

[ttystikk]

I’m more concerned with a manufactured Messianic Age and a complete Orwellian 1984 state than I am of the world ending. Seems we are getting close. How can we convince the bankers that we are fed up with the old bait and switch.. “provoke, create enemies, to start wars to create more debt.. all the while funding and arming our enemies?” Seems like the social consequences are harder to hide due to the technology. I see a complete economic collapse but no end to the world and certainly not by climate change.

Not sure how much more Orwellian the world needs to get to convince you...

 

[PokerJay83]

Btw I 100% agree with you about learning from our mistakes. If history was taught accurately than maybe we could prevent it from being repeated. At the moment it seems like people are too indoctrinated via a sub par education system.

 

[Roger A. Shrubber]

Unless we see it coming.

depends on when we see it, and how big it is...we have a lot of "ideas" about how to deal with a meteor, but not one of them has ever been tried? can it be deflected? or will hitting it with explosives turn it into a thousand smaller meteors that will still be large enough to rain down on half the planet?...maybe seeing it soon enough will save us, and maybe it will just give us time to kiss our asses goodbye

 

[PokerJay83]

My response to hannimal is in the two pictures below. I’ve also briefly discussed some possible solutions based on the op top post. For some reason my chat didn’t show up. Still learning this site.