FISA Abuse by FBI

radiant Rudy

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“What the administration appears to want are political operatives who are loyal not to the United States but to the president in furthering his personal, political and financial goals,” said Philip Gordon, a former senior official in the Obama administration who co-authored a recent op-ed defending Yovanovitch. “That’s where it’s demoralizing for the career diplomats.”

 

DIY-HP-LED

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Perhaps the FISA abuse story will be a nothingburger then. We will know shortly and I will post a link to reports either way. Keep doubling down please, makes for great drama in the thread.
Accept the fact that Trump and you are fucked and grow the fuck up, and stop wasting good people's time on bullshit and nonsense. Have the courage to end your suffering now. It's only gonna get more humiliating over time, that's why the GOP is folding and Mitch is gonna pull the pin on Donald.

Trump is fucked and knows it, why don't you?

This is an act of compassion, stop making a fool of yourself for Trump and hate.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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An you claimed not to be a traitor?
What about Donald?
Shitting on the FBI agents, patriots, mostly former republicans?

To a patriot, literal and legal treason, is a distinction with out a difference.

You are making what appear to be reasonable arguments, but I've got a few question about motives and intentions, core issues, before we move on to policy. I need to know what is really driving your support for treason (literal, not legal) and unfit government. Both sides are not the same here, one supports treason, the destruction of law and order and the constitution, the democrats do not, neither do patriots.
 
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Unclebaldrick

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Stop embarrassing yourself
No, don't tell him that. He's a rare commodity - a user who has been here for a while who is still stupid enough to defend Trump and believe the shit he says. Most of those have given up hope and are just sitting in their mom's basement furiously reloading Breitbart to see what the latest Trump poll says. (We all miss you @squarepush3r) The waves of new member trolls aren't as much fun. They can't even convincingly pretend they don't support Trump for a couple of days. Woe be to us when Gabbard drops out and they will be denied the ability to pretend that they are Democrats. I mean Rand Paul isn't even running.
 

Unclebaldrick

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So @Bugeye, if it turns out that several of Trump's people testify that there was very much a policy that Trump wanted a quid prop quo with Ukraine, that'll be a very bad thing wouldn't you agree? I mean, Trump violently asserts that this was not the case but when documents and first hand witnesses say that it was, you'll join us in calling for his removal and be incensed when Moscow Mitch blocks it, right?
 

jimihendrix1

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Giuliani Contacted Imprisoned Manafort To Bolster Ukraine Conspiracy Theory :wall::wall::hump::hump::spew::cuss::shock::oops::oops::oops::spew:
:hug:

ALso notice it says.

HE HAS CONTACTED HIM SEVERAL TIMES LATELY:oops::oops::wall:
WHICH IS AT LEAST 3 TIMES:fire:


Rudy Giuliani, Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, has reportedly been talking with the president’s imprisoned former campaign chairman Paul Manafort in an effort to bolster a debunked conspiracy theory he’s been touting involving Ukraine and Hillary Clinton.
Citing an interview with Giuliani himself, The Washington Post reported on Wednesday that the former New York mayor admitted to contacting Manafort via the prisoner’s lawyer several times in recent months. Manafort is serving a 7½-year term in a Pennsylvania federal prison for bank fraud, tax fraud and other charges stemming from special counsel Robert Mueller’s probe into Russian interference in the 2016 election.
Giuliani said he’d reached out to Manafort to determine the veracity of a secret black ledger that allegedly recorded illegal cash payments to Manafort from former Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovych.
Giuliani told the Post that he was keen to look into the matter because he believes the black ledger never existed and was concocted by Democratic operatives ― with the support of U.S. authorities ― in order to take Manafort down.

The Post’s report offers a glimpse into the efforts that Giuliani — who’s also become a central figure in the House impeachment investigation related to Trump’s controversial phone call with current Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky — has undertaken to falsely reframe the narrative of the 2016 election.
Specifically, Giuliani has been pushing a conspiracy theory that it was Ukraine, and not Russia, that interfered in the election. Mueller and the U.S. intelligence community concluded Russia plotted to influence the election to help Trump win.
On Monday, Giuliani told Fox News’ Sean Hannity that Ukrainian officials had conspired with Democrats, including Clinton and former U.S. President Barack Obama, to dig up dirt on Trump.
“Wake up, Democrats. You are covering up corruption,” Giuliani told Hannity, hours after being issued a subpoena by House Democrats for records related to his dealings with Ukraine.
“By the time this is over, you’re going to be the party of corruption,” Giuliani said.

The Post’s exposé on Giuliani corroborates earlier reports by The New York Times and NYR Daily about the attorney’s correspondence with Manafort.
The Times reported last month that Giuliani had “consulted with Manafort’s lawyers about ways to raise doubts about the ledger as a means to question the special counsel’s investigation.”
Investigative journalist Murray Waas, writing for NYR Daily, reported that Giuliani had spoken to Manafort’s legal team on at least three occasions about “how the White House was pushing a narrative that the Democratic National Committee, Democratic donors, and Ukrainian government officials had ‘colluded’” against Trump in 2016.
“This story has since been debunked as baseless, though that has not prevented Trump, Giuliani, and other surrogates in conservative media from repeatedly pushing the story,” Waas noted.

The Manafort-linked ledger that Giuliani was interested in was first reported by the Times in 2016.
The ledger allegedly recorded $12.7 million in illegal cash payments from Yanukovych ― described as a “stooge” of Russian leader Vladimir Putin ― to Manafort; the news prompted questions about the Trump campaign’s potential ties to the Kremlin and ultimately led to Manafort’s resignation.
Giuliani told the Post that he recently asked Manafort’s lawyer whether “there really [was] a black book.”
Manafort responded that there wasn’t, Giuliani claimed ― a response that the attorney suggested supported his theory about the ledger having been invented by U.S. authorities as a pretext to open a case against Manafort.
As the Post noted, however, the FBI already had a case against Manafort long before the 2016 campaign, and the ledger was mentioned neither by the special counsel’s office nor by Manafort’s defense team during his criminal trials.

The Post’s report about Giuliani’s correspondence with Manafort dropped the same day that the attorney admitted to providing documents to the State Department that included conspiracy theories related to Democratic presidential hopeful Joe Biden and Marie Yovanovitch, who until recently was the former U.S. ambassador to Ukraine.



The State Department’s watchdog, Steve Linick, provided Congress on Wednesday with a 40-page packet of documents that he said was related to the State Department and Ukraine.
The chairs of the House Intelligence, Foreign Affairs and Oversight committees later said in a statement that the packet contained “disinformation, debunked conspiracy theories, and baseless allegations.”:oops::oops::oops::hug:
“These documents ... reinforce concern that the President and his allies sought to use the machinery of the State Department to further the President’s personal political interests,” the three committee chairs wrote.:oops::oops::oops::oops::clap::clap::clap::wall:
Giuliani admitted to CNN that he’d sent some of the documents in the packet, including an “outline” of allegations against Biden and Yovanovitch, to Secretary of State Mike Pompeo’s office.
Giuliani claimed Pompeo had contacted him about the documents and had told him the State Department was “going to investigate.”
 
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