Useful Seeds

[jdoorn14]

This is just ridiculous. How many people have successfully grown out the Skunks n Oranges and how were they tested? 2/2 skunks and oranges are total herms. 2/2 of a random landrace cross that I bought directly on IG have hermed. One random chuck I did for fun has 1 ball. The other 12 plants I have are absolutely totally happy. Thanks to everyone chiming in to point the finger at me, really helpful!!

Not trying to pile on here because I’m just a newbie with a seed buying problem. I have a whole 2 grows under my belt. One of my plants in my first grow fully hermied around week 3 of flower. 1 of the other 2 in that grow threw nanners all through flower. My first thought was to look at the genetics, even though logic pointed at conditions--poor ph stability, challenges with keeping tent zipped during “night”, poor watering practices, poor feeding regimen, etc. Sure seems easy to blame genetics, lack of stress testing, or poor seeds. But I chalked it up to a learning experience and tried to figure out what & how I could do better next time.

Whether or not @Useful Seeds does extensive stress testing on his gear doesn’t change the fact that feminized seeds are caused by forcing a plant to hermie. Every feminized seed has a chance to be male or hermie instead of fully female. The chance is very low, but it exists. I’d be wary of any breeder claiming otherwise just because they do extensive stress testing.

That said, it seems like your very first experience with growing started back in April of this year...at least to base it on your posts here on RIU. Again, not trying to throw shade, but there may well be shared blame here. Regardless, I’ve seen you take an unnecessarily aggressive stance in several circumstances in your short time on RIU. It may be that your text comes off that way. But it also may be that you just like complaining and aren’t really interested in finding a solution or allowing others to assist.

Either way, @Useful Seeds, being the standup guy he is, offered to replace the seed several posts ago. Either take him up on the offer or don’t. Maybe you’ll be able to replicate the hermie issue and narrow it down to some environmental factors that this genetic combination doesn’t tolerate. Or maybe you’ll find that it doesn’t hermie next time—that the particular fem seed you initially grew was from a shallower part of the gene pool.

 

[dankbydrew]

Not trying to pile on here because I’m just a newbie with a seed buying problem. I have a whole 2 grows under my belt. One of my plants in my first grow fully hermied around week 3 of flower. 1 of the other 2 in that grow threw nanners all through flower. My first thought was to look at the genetics, even though logic pointed at conditions--poor ph stability, challenges with keeping tent zipped during “night”, poor watering practices, poor feeding regimen, etc. Sure seems easy to blame genetics, lack of stress testing, or poor seeds. But I chalked it up to a learning experience and tried to figure out what & how I could do better next time.

Whether or not @Useful Seeds does extensive stress testing on his gear doesn’t change the fact that feminized seeds are caused by forcing a plant to hermie. Every feminized seed has a chance to be male or hermie instead of fully female. The chance is very low, but it exists. I’d be wary of any breeder claiming otherwise just because they do extensive stress testing.

That said, it seems like your very first experience with growing started back in April of this year...at least to base it on your posts here on RIU. Again, not trying to throw shade, but there may well be shared blame here. Regardless, I’ve seen you take an unnecessarily aggressive stance in several circumstances in your short time on RIU. It may be that your text comes off that way. But it also may be that you just like complaining and aren’t really interested in finding a solution or allowing others to assist.

Either way, @Useful Seeds, being the standup guy he is, offered to replace the seed several posts ago. Either take him up on the offer or don’t. Maybe you’ll be able to replicate the hermie issue and narrow it down to some environmental factors that this genetic combination doesn’t tolerate. Or maybe you’ll find that it doesn’t hermie next time—that the particular fem seed you initially grew was from a shallower part of the gene pool.

You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about and piling on, listen to Nspecta’s Potcast. Whatever, I’ll chalk it up as me, but all the other breeders seeds are loving what I’m giving them and they loved it the other two successful rounds. Back to your regular scheduled programming, enjoy your circlejerk boys!

 

[AlienAthena]

Christ...this thread is 356 pages long and was started in 2007....this is the first whiff of a herm......guess who I’m gonna figure is the problem. Bad breeders get pointed out quick here. Now if a month from now there tons of reports of it happening....but honestly I don’t see that happening.

Okay there’s no reason to spread false info. I’ve seen Useful offer to send replacements due to herms. He has done so to me. Guy doesn’t even want any. There’s no reason to attack the guy for asking a simple question at the breeder. I don’t get the mob mentality on this site. Yes he is loved but that doesn’t mean he can’t mess up (not that he has done so to my knowledge.)

 

[BDGrows]

You clearly have no idea what you’re talking about and piling on, listen to Nspecta’s Potcast. Whatever, I’ll chalk it up as me, but all the other breeders seeds are loving what I’m giving them and they loved it the other two successful rounds. Back to your regular scheduled programming, enjoy your circlejerk boys!

Eh, I think you might've just crapped out on the seed draw so to speak. As for the stress test, im unsure what Useful does or if we as consumers are privy to that information (possibly trade secret?). But then again if both of them hermed, that's not a good sign and even smaller of a percent chance than that 0.01% of getting a herm to begin with... If you're willing and if you have the space, pop the rest of the pack please to determine if those genetics are unstable. I know its shitty, but at least that way Useful can withdraw that line or note that its prone to hermaphrodism. But, if the other 8 (or however many left) come out fine, then I think ya just got shit luck on this first go around.

Okay there’s no reason to spread false info. I’ve seen Useful offer to send replacements due to herms. He has done so to me. Guy doesn’t even want any. There’s no reason to attack the guy for asking a simple question at the breeder. I don’t get the mob mentality on this site. Yes he is loved but that doesn’t mean he can’t mess up (not that he has done so to my knowledge.)

This.

 

[dankbydrew]

Guys, guys, guys. Please. I'm not trying to put Useful on blast. I have like 10 packs of his gear too. I just wanted some answers about this cross from anyone in the community that has grown it. It could very well be me, but clearly this is not the place for a reasonable discussion around the h word.

But if you're digging through my post history looking for evidence to back up your bias and white knight, you're a dunce.

 

[BDGrows]

Poured through the forum and I couldn't find and grow pics on the Bag of Skunks n Oranges, only descriptions, and origins. So, I think you're possibly the first to post about it on RIU? Im most likely wrong, but I couldnt find anything. Im sure SOMEONE has to have grown it by now though.

 

[dankbydrew]

Poured through the forum and I couldn't find and grow pics on the Bag of Skunks n Oranges, only descriptions and origins, so I think you're possibly the first?

Funny enough, looks like @Tstat mentioned it in the Bodhi thread yesterday. That's all I've found. I'll pop the rest and see what happens. Later dudes and dudettes.

 

[BDGrows]

Funny enough, looks like @Tstat mentioned it in the Bodhi thread yesterday. That's all I've found. I'll pop the rest and see what happens. Later dudes and dudettes.

Keep us posted, I've been curious about the old skunk in that one...

 

[Warpedpassage]

useful is selling 10 FEM seeds for 60$. That often come with a freebie. That makes the beans stupid cheap. And as far as i can tell he is up front and honest about the stuff he has not tested.
Folks, most strains available to us are poly hybrids crossed to poly hybrids. Herms are part of life. For example i payed 200$ for a pack of 13 seeds from another breeder, ended up with three females, all three hermed at different point in flower. One trashed early flower. But one pheno throws nanners late flower , flowers 13 weeks, and is hands down one of the best smokes in the past 20 years for me. Usually, I would never pay that much for a pack, but its a trusted breeder with some oldschool genetics, so i gave it a shot. Now if i happen to come across someone asking questions about that strain on the forums ill give tham a heads up.
I honestly cant think of a single breeder from whom whose gear i did not find herms at some point. Again polyhybrids smashed with poly hybrids. Yes, there is much potential for fire, but also negatives such as lack of vigor n herms popping up.
A lot of newbs dont seem to understand this. You can credit decades of prohibition for the clusterfuck that is canna genetics at the moment. Thankfully things are finally starting to change in a big way.

 

[colocowboy]

What kind of answer would make you happy bro, I feel like you’re hoping to hear that it’s a trash strain and everybody is having problems with it. Seems like everyone is happy with the results and you have an isolated experience. I can say without hesitation that useful is not trying to rip anyone off, he’s honestly working a labor of love which I have read adventures in testing in this thread. I even saw him offer to help you get to feeling right about it. What else could you want? You’re obviously not over it but I am struggling with what you want, apologies?

 

[Tstat]

Keep us posted, I've been curious about the old skunk in that one...

Not much to see yet- they have been in flower for just a week or so. Same nice structure as the BOO, it seems:

Here is the other one:

And here is my BOO several weeks into flower:

 

[dankbydrew]

The answer is grower or environment error, there, you happy now, whiny ass? Sorry, just the way it is. Since you mentioned it, name 5 breeders right now that "extensively test" their fems. Even Rado has had a problem or two. I have to laugh, really. Newbie growers jumping in with both feet full of uneducated opinion and by God it couldn't be nothing they did. In my early days, research on growing and the strain BEFORE trying was the norm. Now, not so much. LMFAO seen on another forum someone looking for newbie resilient strains, I fell out the chair laughing, how bout you cut your teeth on experience and learning from mistakes and successes other than have someone hand you the answer.

What the hell are you talking about you clown? You’re all a bunch of worthless hype men I guess.

I just wanted some input on the strain, but looks like you’re all a bunch of knee jerk losers with nothing better to do than chime in where your off-topic opinion isn’t wanted or valued.

 

[dankbydrew]

What kind of answer would make you happy bro, I feel like you’re hoping to hear that it’s a trash strain and everybody is having problems with it. Seems like everyone is happy with the results and you have an isolated experience. I can say without hesitation that useful is not trying to rip anyone off, he’s honestly working a labor of love which I have read adventures in testing in this thread. I even saw him offer to help you get to feeling right about it. What else could you want? You’re obviously not over it but I am struggling with what you want, apologies?

How is it an isolated experience when there’s one other confirmed person growing the strain? No wonder no one is actually growing this strain, it’s a bunch of armchair jockeys in this thread.

 

[Useful Seeds]

How is it an isolated experience when there’s one other confirmed person growing the strain? No wonder no one is actually growing this strain, it’s a bunch of armchair jockeys in this thread.

I wanted to come on sooner, but had to shovel snow first....While I appreciate everyone's vote of confidence, truth of the matter is that there is the possibility that the pairing could be bad, (recessive trait) even though I have not seen any I am right here with you. And I apologize if I came off as dismissive. I also want to be crystal clear that you have every right to be upset, as I myself would be.

Moving forward, I don't want you to give up on my gear, and I would be happy to send you any 2 packs that I have in stock, as well as a refund.

I appreciate everyone's passion, including yours @dankbydrew . Please let me know how to proceed.

And let's please all treat each other with civility and respect.

 

[toomp]

I wanted to come on sooner, but had to shovel snow first....While I appreciate everyone's vote of confidence, truth of the matter is that there is the possibility that the pairing could be bad, (recessive trait) even though I have not seen any I am right here with you. And I apologize if I came off as dismissive. I also want to be crystal clear that you have every right to be upset, as I myself would be.

Moving forward, I don't want you to give up on my gear, and I would be happy to send you any 2 packs that I have in stock, as well as a refund.

I appreciate everyone's passion, including yours @dankbydrew . Please let me know how to proceed.

And let's please all treat each other with civility and respect.

Class act.

 

[SmokeAL0t]

Good morning, Useful fam!

Just a quick thought... many of us have been members of forums for over a decade and one thing that's more off-putting than any is when a newcomer can't express concerns without the fear of being put on blast. This doesn't represent the Useful brand, either.

Love and respect has been the cornerstone not only of this thread but also of Useful in his daily life. Really. Guy has one of the biggest hearts you'll find.

I'd like to encourage everyone to take their differences to private messages and keep the thread an open/fun-loving place for all feedback.

(No offense intended to anyone....)

Hope everyone has a nice day and keeps warm!

 

[toomp]

I’m over it dude. I popped 40 seeds and ended up with 4 full herms. 2 strains from 2 breeders. Still no mention if the seeds were tested at all, but Useful did a great job at deflecting that. They were all in different spots in the tent. I grow organically in soil. Hopefully it’s all me, but I still can’t get any real answers in this thread.

I didn't read it all but did you check for a leak?
I had some gelato and 2 sunset sherbet crosses I threw out and later found a small leak. Bodhi and bog strains stayed true with the leak.

 

[Frank Nitty]

Tune in tomorrow for the next episode of "AS THE WEED GROWS..."

 

[Frank Nitty]

EVERYONE IS TO SIT IN TIME OUT!!!

 

[Frank Nitty]

IM HERE ALL WEEK!!!