BurtMaklin
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You're already paying most of it to private healthcare insurers and providers right now, I fail to see how this is unobtainable.
If Medicare is better than private insurance...
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xmatox
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Damn, you really are retarded. I bet you didn't look at a single link I sent you because every single one disputes the dumb shit coming out of your mouth. We are paying for healthcare... right... now. Bernie's plan suggests that you would not pay how you do now, but get taxed instead. How can we add more people to insurance, but decrease the amount of jobs in the medical industry? That's not going to play out.
I did address your taxes going up, but I guess you're not bright enough to see it because you're too busy parroting the tax hike boogieman speech. If you pay $4000 a year in insurance, and don't pay that, but instead are taxed $4000, what the fuck is changing? Again, you are already paying for this. Are you really that brainwashed to shit the bed when you hear the word tax?
abandonconflict
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No I don't. I have a cheap plan with co-pays and deductibles.
xmatox
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How is your insurance rate going to be affected by those that defer their medical bill payments? You do realize your solution only hurts you in the end. You are still paying for it, retard.
abandonconflict
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According to Bernie I'm paying 20k a year and I would trade this for a 10k per year tax hike.
Please refrain from the name calling and insults. I'm not calling you a retard just because you are falling for the Bernie-Liz vote bait.
abandonconflict
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Please rephrase and be coherent.
I reported your unkind comments. Please notice that I have been civil.
BurtMaklin
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Until you don't.
xmatox
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You have requested information from me such as links, which you dismissed based off your answers.
My example of $4000 to $4000 was an example. Experts believe we would save money, but not as much as Bernie is projecting (10k). $4000 is the amount the average American pays annually for healthcare, so my example was derived from that.
How do you not understand that the ACA doesn't cover every medical bill? People will still file bankruptcy and default on their hospital bills. What does the hospital do then? Raise prices. There could have been an ambulance, medical tools, doctors, nurses, the hospital itself, all of which lost money due to people defaulting on payments. They ALL raise prices, which YOU will pay for when you need to pay for medical attention. You said you're healthy, so I presume you haven't been affected by a life threatening issue yet. Let's see how that works out for you. Life's a bitch.
Can I ask you what your level of education is? What experiences you have in any policy work, or any work in government at all? I ask because you're very quick to dismiss information. If you read my links it would have taken you some time to digest, not 3 minutes.
abandonconflict
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True, there are these two fake progressives promising free shit to idiots for votes. They want to replace all current government spending and then some to give me a Medicare plan I don't want.
xmatox
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"Fake Progressives" lol. Bernie sanders has had the same beliefs for decades. Elizabeth Warren on the other hand... Why are you lying?
abandonconflict
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I don't pay that much. When I am older I will. I will then be in a different insurance group. I think that we have a duty to support those in our society who need support. I would certainly take a tax hike to cover them.
I don't want to be supported by the government. I don't want the Medicare plan being foisted by the current spill of Bernie-Liz clowns.
xmatox
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What you are essentially saying then is the elderly have poor healthcare coverage since they are on medicare. This would apply to veterans too. How does your plan fix this?
abandonconflict
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Bernie sanders has accomplished nothing in his career aside from renaming two post offices and fracturing the DNC, handing power to Donald Trump.
Elizabeth Warren is lying through her teeth about M4A with no middle class tax hikes. She ducks the question in every interview.
BurtMaklin
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Removing the financial barrier to education and healthcare produces a healthier, more educated society. It's not promising free shit for votes, its giving you what you should be getting. .what you're paying for.
abandonconflict
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No. I'm not essentially saying that. Many people in dire need actually have nothing.
They should be cared for at the expense of productive people. I have already laid out repeatedly that Medicare should be expanded to cover those who need it.
xmatox
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Nice Strawman. No one is trying to argue for how much he accomplished. Your claim that he is a fake progressive, when in fact he is the contemporary definition of progression is ridiculous and objectively false. Bernie sanders broke a record for the most individuals contributions of any Presidential candidate. Guess who has the most individual contributions in the House. AOC. I'm not hear to defend Elizabeth Warren.
abandonconflict
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This does not require M4A and certainly not before healthcare costs are reduced.
abandonconflict
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He had antiwar activists arrested in his district for sitting in with only the hope that he would listen to them.
He had toxic waste dumped in Hispanic neighborhoods.
He has consistently voted to shield weapons manufacturers from liabilities
He has accomplished nothing in his 30 years in congress but to rename two post offices.
Bernie Sanders is Fucking garbage and should have stuck with rape fantasy fiction columns.
Fuck Bernie Sanders. He's trash.
xmatox
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For one, it will diminish collective bargaining power. You said you like your private insurance. Well, what if we had a medicare for who want it as you suggest. Can we include stipulations that individuals such as yourself cannot come into medicare when your private insurance fucks you over? You didn't pay into the system and therefore should be banned. I view this similarly to having the option for social security. If you could opt of of social security and do your own private investing with money, but you later lost your money and wanted to reap any benefits of social security.
What weapons manufacturers should be held liable and for what reason? Why is it not the legislator and individuals responsibility?
Bernie Sanders has the more support than any other candidate for Hispanic support.
Who do you support? Because I can tally up a laundry list of shit policies all of them have supported.
ismann
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I don't want the government in my life at all either. They never helped anyone. Just about every employer has decent healthcare plans, so find a job. I really don't see how this is so complicated. Universal health care will never work in this country until people start taking care of themselves. Not enough healthy people to pay for the rest. It's a mathematical fact.
And I'm all for education reform. That's the biggest thing this country needs. Cut out college sports funding, waste of money. Cut out useless degrees like gender studies, you won't get a job with that. No more federal loans for college either. It should be the responsibility of the college which will increase competition to lower their tuition. When big daddy government just hands out money to anyone, colleges can make their own price, they know they'll get paid.
And I'm all for education reform. That's the biggest thing this country needs. Cut out college sports funding, waste of money. Cut out useless degrees like gender studies, you won't get a job with that. No more federal loans for college either. It should be the responsibility of the college which will increase competition to lower their tuition. When big daddy government just hands out money to anyone, colleges can make their own price, they know they'll get paid.