If Medicare is better than private insurance...

[Padawanbater2]

 

[abandonconflict]

I thought Robert Reich was an economist.

Someone should tell him that $738B ≠ $32T because he's not even close.

He's only off by about 31.2 trillion dollars though.

 

[Padawanbater2]

What's 35 trillion - 32 trillion?

 

[abandonconflict]

What's 35 trillion - 32 trillion?

What are you even talking about?

 

[Padawanbater2]

3 trillion

Ensuring everyone has coverage is $3 trillion less than what we currently pay for healthcare that fails to cover 30 million Americans

That also ensures they have dental, eye, and ear coverage, too, and they're not forced to stay at a job they don't like, or stay in a relationship they don't like just to keep coverage, like they currently do. It also ensures they're not rationing medication or paying hundreds of times more than they should to buy necessary medication like insulin

 

[Fogdog]

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What does that even mean? So what if we spend x dollars on defense and y dollars on healthcare? They are spent on completely different objectives. Would it make sense to just cut healthcare willy nilly to pay for more bombs? Cutting defense spending is a completely different topic. Old Bob conflated to cost of military defense with healthcare costs in order to justify spending more on one or the other. What he just did is tells us age has caught up with them.

 

[Communist Dreamer]

3 trillion

Ensuring everyone has coverage is $3 trillion less than what we currently pay for healthcare that fails to cover 30 million Americans

That also ensures they have dental, eye, and ear coverage, too, and they're not forced to stay at a job they don't like, or stay in a relationship they don't like just to keep coverage, like they currently do. It also ensures they're not rationing medication or paying hundreds of times more than they should to buy necessary medication like insulin

Is this going to add hearing to Medicare which currently doesn't? Or is it just like now, "yeah, our tests say you're deaf, that'll be $3,000 per ear, out of pocket, all on you, we won't pay jack!"

That's what I was told with Blue Cross, after paying $20 for the referral, and $35 for the specialist.

 

[Padawanbater2]

Is this going to add hearing to Medicare which currently doesn't? Or is it just like now, "yeah, our tests say you're deaf, that'll be $3,000 per ear, out of pocket, all on you, we won't pay jack!"

That's what I was told with Blue Cross, after paying $20 for the referral, and $35 for the specialist.

No cost at the point of service for health, dental, eye, or hearing, like other modern first world countries

 

[Fogdog]

No cost at the point of service for health, dental, eye, or hearing, like other modern first world countries

3 trillion

Ensuring everyone has coverage is $3 trillion less than what we currently pay for healthcare that fails to cover 30 million Americans

That also ensures they have dental, eye, and ear coverage, too, and they're not forced to stay at a job they don't like, or stay in a relationship they don't like just to keep coverage, like they currently do. It also ensures they're not rationing medication or paying hundreds of times more than they should to buy necessary medication like insulin

You aren't going to pay for that. We know this already.

Where, in his healthcare bill, does Bernie spell out who pays and how much it will be?

Bernie should put some sort of "actual mileage may vary" label in his bill. Guessing that costs and disclaimers were in the other half of that bill that wasn't part of his submission to Congress. Bernie must have forgotten.

 

[Communist Dreamer]

No cost at the point of service for health, dental, eye, or hearing, like other modern first world countries

Like I said, just for the hearing test, or the hearing aid too? Because Costco for the $60 membership fee gave me the same news, but wanted $2,500 per ear.

This is what Medicare says, so what you say doesn't seem true with your M4A plan?
Things to know
Medicare doesn’t cover hearing exams, hearing aids, or exams for fitting hearing aids.

Hearing & balance exams

Have trouble hearing? Medicare's hearing exam coverage may be right for you. Use Medicare for diagnostic hearing & balancing exam costs. Learn more.

www.medicare.gov

 

[Padawanbater2]

What does that even mean?

He's highlighting your feigned outrage over the cost of universal coverage

 

[Padawanbater2]

Like I said, just for the hearing test, or the hearing aid too? Because Costco for the $60 membership fee gave me the same news, but wanted $2,500 per ear.

This is what Medicare says, so what you say doesn't seem true with your M4A plan?
Things to know
Medicare doesn’t cover hearing exams, hearing aids, or exams for fitting hearing aids.

Hearing & balance exams

Have trouble hearing? Medicare's hearing exam coverage may be right for you. Use Medicare for diagnostic hearing & balancing exam costs. Learn more.

www.medicare.gov

Everything. It's an expansion of Medicare that covers everyone, not just 65+

 

[Communist Dreamer]

Everything. It's an expansion of Medicare that covers everyone, not just 65+

I'm confused. How can this expanded Medicare cover hearing aids, but a premium HMO like Kaiser doesn't that's more than what the M4A plan covers?

 

[abandonconflict]

3 trillion

Ensuring everyone has coverage is $3 trillion less than what we currently pay

That's a great idea. We should ensure everyone has coverage.

You should read about "Medicare for all who want it". Mayor Pete thinks it can be done for 1.5 trillion dollars in the first decade. That would be mostly paid for simply by repealing the Trump tax cuts to the rich.

 

[Padawanbater2]

That's a great idea. We should ensure everyone has coverage.

You should read about "Medicare for all who want it". Mayor Pete thinks it can be done for 1.5 trillion dollars in the first decade. That would be mostly paid for simply by repealing the Trump tax cuts to the rich.

It's already been explained to you how a system like Buttigieg is proposing fails from inception by having no way to fund the public part of the program as "those that want it" are poor people who can't afford private insurance and those that can won't subsidize the public option. You still haven't addressed that.

The new part is somehow getting a Republican held Senate to overturn the Trump tax cuts they just voted in in 2017, a virtual impossibility

 

[abandonconflict]

It's already been explained to you how a system like Buttigieg is proposing fails from inception by having no way to fund the public part of the program as "those that want it" are poor people who can't afford private insurance and those that can won't subsidize the public option. You still haven't addressed that.

Actually, I did. Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise. You see, it's an expansion of medicare. Those uninsured or under-insured who want medicare will have it. Then they'll be covered. This expense will be then picked up by the federal budget. Everyone else can then keep their private plan. For example, I take a small tax hike (as opposed to that sanders idea where I give up two thirds of my income) and then I continue to provide myself with private insurance.

Let me know if I used too many big words.

 

[Padawanbater2]

This expense will be then picked up by the federal budget.

Meaning taxes go up, spending goes down, or debts are accrued

So does Buttigieg plan on raising taxes, cutting spending, or increasing the debt/deficit to pay for his "Medicare for all who want it" plan?

 

[abandonconflict]

Meaning taxes go up, spending goes down, or debts are accrued

So does Buttigieg plan on raising taxes, cutting spending, or increasing the debt/deficit to pay for his "Medicare for all who want it" plan?

The first two, not the third.

Unlike Bernie who promises the world and has no plan for how to pay for it.

 

[Communist Dreamer]

Actually, I did. Your conclusion doesn't follow from your premise. You see, it's an expansion of medicare. Those uninsured or under-insured who want medicare will have it. Then they'll be covered. This expense will be then picked up by the federal budget. Everyone else can then keep their private plan. For example, I take a small tax hike (as opposed to that sanders idea where I give up two thirds of my income) and then I continue to provide myself with private insurance.

Let me know if I used too many big words.

If you don't like it, why don't you cut ties with America completely? Isn't that how you guys work? "Don't like it leave!" Well, you left, and are almost there.

Unless you have a student loan debt, just go up to any one of America's stronghold's, a consulate, and tell an official, "My name is Abondonconflict, and I renounce my citizenship." They'll try to convince you otherwise for about 15 minutes while they make you sign a few papers. Other than that, it's super easy.

Also, they won't really get rid of your citizenship completely, so you don't have to worry. If America finally becomes your own fanatical Utopia, just later come back and say you've changed your mind. They've always done it in the past.

But I personally think you're just a drama queen.

No more unfair American abroad taxes.

 

[abandonconflict]

If you don't like it, why don't you cut ties with America completely? Isn't that how you guys work? "Don't like it leave!" Well, you left, and are almost there.

Unless you have a student loan debt, just go up to any one of America's stronghold's, a consulate, and tell an official, "My name is Abondonconflict, and I renounce my citizenship." They'll try to convince you otherwise for about 15 minutes while they make you sign a few papers. Other than that, it's super easy.

Also, they won't really get rid of your citizenship completely, so you don't have to worry. If America finally becomes your own fanatical Utopia, just later come back and say you've changed your mind. They've always done it in the past.

But I personally think you're just a drama queen.

No more unfair American abroad taxes.

Nah, nothing you said interests me at all.

How about you try not to get chased out of anymore playgrounds by mothers. Personally, if it was me dealing with creeps like you getting too close to other people's kids, I'd have probably really harmed you.