If Medicare is better than private insurance...
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UncleBuck
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Gonna be hilarious when you need healthcare but can’t afford it because you subsistence farm out of a shack since you’re an unemployable pedophile and the rest of us have to foot the cost of your medical bills
Rob Roy
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I appreciate government forcing you to be my slave, slave.
xmatox
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I am very familiar with Obamacare and how it works. The problem is that states were left with too much power under the ACA. They have the ability to deny expanding programs into their states. If you are going to force states to comply, how is that different than going down the path of M4A? You still didn't argue how the ACA will fix the underinsured problem that has actually gotten worse under the ACA.
xmatox
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My brain is having a hard time understanding how Abandonconflict doesn't understand how basic math works. Instead, he keeps insisting that he would have to pay the current rate of health insurance + the new tax for M4S, which is idiotic and objectively false. It has been said to him almost 10 times throughout the thread.
hanimmal
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I don't actually think anyone will be able to do much better with the Republicans obstructing everything to keep the power in the hands of the Wealthy White Heterosexual Male Only agenda.
They will use M4A as a way to scare people into voting for them, it is far easier to sell against something that for it.
The idea of Obamacare was to 'bend' the increasing cost curve and get everyone that needs insurance on it to cover catastrophes and focus the majority of healthcare into the doctors offices and out of the emergency rooms. Saying that the underinsured problem has gotten worse under the ACA is disingenuous. It is like someone bitching that they don't like cake because it is gross, and when someone is baking it, pouring a ton of salt in it when they are out of the room, and using the people disgusted by the outcome as proof that cake is gross. The Republicans have been screwing with it since it became law and 92% of Americans got covered.
How do we get it into the Red States? By voting in Democratic govenors and state congress so that they can bring it to their people. And to do that you cannot scare those red states with someone they will not vote for.
Padawanbater2
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Lord Bonkey
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yeah, my old lady is from NC, and its shocking to me as a canadian at the cost of going to the doctor in the states.
in alberta we have sort of a social credit model, so basicly if you take resources out of the ground you subsidze healthcare
Fogdog
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The difference between people who support Bernie's bill and those who have read it and quite reasonably don't support his stupid bill is not the same as supporting or opposing nationalized healthcare.
Lord Bonkey
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federalized healthcare....
nation means something diffrence
What's the difference between universal healthcare and Medicare for all?
Fogdog
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It doesn't really matter what you want to call it. We haven't settled on what a single payer system looks like right now. Given the current political climate in the US, the most we can do with our healthcare system, offer Medicare as an option for those who are shopping for coverage and subsidize healthcare for those who have such a low income that they can't afford to pay for it.
Fogdog
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yeah , yeah
We know you want free stuff. It's not as if you make enough to pay for it so you'll just have to suck it up until the people who will pay for it figure out what they are willing to give you. The phrase that applies to you is -- beggars can't be choosers. So, drone on, dude.
You post is another dishonest one. Nobody stays in the hospital for free. The only difference is, who pays?
Lord Bonkey
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we have a social credit model system where natural resource producers pay a royalty that pays for healthcare
works fine
Fogdog
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abandonconflict
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Who thinks this? You didn't make this a direct quote so I assume it is directed to the one who made the thread. That's actually what I am suggesting, to increase taxes in order to expand Medicare to cover the 27 million (approx 8% of US pop) Americans who still lack coverage. It would likely cost upwards of a quarter trillion dollars a year.
abandonconflict
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Nothing is free. If you want income taxes to take two thirds of your pay, vote accordingly.
abandonconflict
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Universal means everyone has it, whether it be medicare or private insurance.
Also, there is this thing called a dictionary. I don't know if you've heard of it but basically, it has every word in a given language arranged alphabetically with definitions. It's perfect for uneducated morons who don't know what words mean.
xmatox
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No, saying that the underinsured problem has gotten worse is objectively true. More people are covered, but more people are underinsured. Try google my friend. The way you unpack the facts is your issue. It doesn't matter if Republicans are the cause of the underinsured problem. You still need to vote them out in order to fix it at all, which we agree on. On one hand you're arguing that in order to fix the ACA we will have to elect blue government officials in red states. Why is that not the exact same issue that is brought up about Bernie not being able to pass anything in congress?