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hillbill

hillbill

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Vegged quite a bit with blue and blue with some white when I first started with LEDs 8 years ago when I ran mostly Peak gear and ratios were always just over 50% female which was the same with cfls and hps. The plants though had almost no node spacing under blue light. I tried to make that blue work even adding a little white but white always seemed best regardless of source.

My question would be of what value are fem seeds if 90% plus females by using blue light?
 
SSGrower

SSGrower

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Beyond light, I think temp and humidity plays a more prevalent role. I remember reading something about afgan, I think it was, and how in drought years there are more males. Environment, environmet, environment.

Also remeber reading about how in dioceious plants sex can be undertimend until a certain stage of growth. All this leads me to believe plant sex is a polygenetic trait, perhaps somewhat like siliacs in humans.

Started some solstice beans DCP, Honey Sunday, and @Schwaggy P 's Chocolate Trip.
 
genuity

genuity

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SSGrower said:
Beyond light, I think temp and humidity plays a more prevalent role. I remember reading something about afgan, I think it was, and how in drought years there are more males. Environment, environmet, environment.

Also remeber reading about how in dioceious plants sex can be undertimend until a certain stage of growth. All this leads me to believe plant sex is a polygenetic trait, perhaps somewhat like siliacs in humans.

Started some solstice beans DCP, Honey Sunday, and @Schwaggy P 's Chocolate Trip.
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Environment for sure..
 
MrToad69

MrToad69

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hillbill said:
Vegged quite a bit with blue and blue with some white when I first started with LEDs 8 years ago when I ran mostly Peak gear and ratios were always just over 50% female which was the same with cfls and hps. The plants though had almost no node spacing under blue light. I tried to make that blue work even adding a little white but white always seemed best regardless of source.

My question would be of what value are fem seeds if 90% plus females by using blue light?
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Value of Fem's certainly go down when you can methodically change your growing environment to influence outcome of sex..However, the advantage of fem's...you save the bug-hunt, risk of missing a male, and having to turf the males is still an inefficiency..Lastly, when buying seeds, you know you can buy one seed and not risk get

  1. I guess it depends on two things..How much of a purist the grower is. Second, whether there is a concern the seeds that are feminized have a slight increase in Hermie tendencies
 
macsnax

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MrToad69 said:
Value of Fem's certainly go down when you can methodically change your growing environment to influence outcome of sex..However, the advantage of fem's...you save the bug-hunt, risk of missing a male, and having to turf the males is still an inefficiency..Lastly, when buying seeds, you know you can buy one seed and not risk get

  1. I guess it depends on two things..How much of a purist the grower is. Second, whether there is a concern the seeds that are feminized have a slight increase in Hermie tendencies
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IDK if environment is going to sway fems like that. I do know however it's something like 1:30,000 a male will pop out of fems. Not trying to open a can of worms here either, a lot of times these topics come with really strong opinions, lol.
 
MrToad69

MrToad69

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I'd have to agree Mac..

Fem's offer an excellent option for growers on a number of fronts...To reliably grow a female from one seed provides the opportunity to try a larger number of varieties..lower cost, less space.

Think of the days prior to the advent of "feminized" seeds..you'd want to buy and grow at least 3 seeds and probably more like five in order to insure you get at least one female (3-5x) cost..nurturing those males you hope are females..

The ability to order and pop 3 seeds, from 3 different strains, and get 3 budding females in a cost effective manner is an absolute Jackpot for growers IMO!!

Mr Toad
 
MrToad69

MrToad69

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Well...official numbers from the 31 plants...

- 6 males out of the batch...
- 3 were significant Hermies
- 2 had single balls with a single pistil hangin' out.
- and the Tri-leaf that seems to have all I'm looking for..slightly delayed...but no pistils showing so far amongst the balls...

-I culled the 3 "project" destroyers...will cull the other two ..singleton..Hermies once I get a better confirmation that the Tri-leaf has no surprises..

This is a project aimed at producing a fast growing plant you can grow outdoors in Canada and finish. One that can blend in with the rest of your garden. So Tri-leaves and webbed leaves are perfect!
 
macsnax

macsnax

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MrToad69 said:
I'd have to agree Mac..

Fem's offer an excellent option for growers on a number of fronts...To reliably grow a female from one seed provides the opportunity to try a larger number of varieties..lower cost, less space.

Think of the days prior to the advent of "feminized" seeds..you'd want to buy and grow at least 3 seeds and probably more like five in order to insure you get at least one female (3-5x) cost..nurturing those males you hope are females..

The ability to order and pop 3 seeds, from 3 different strains, and get 3 budding females in a cost effective manner is an absolute Jackpot for growers IMO!!

Mr Toad
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Absolutely man, fems bring a lot of versatility to the table. There's also highly sought after strains that there's no male to make regs with, a versatile tool for the seed maker as well.
 
SSGrower

SSGrower

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MrToad69 said:
..nurturing those males you hope are females..
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This is one way for a recessive polygenetic trait to slip through the cracks.
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Fuck, this is the third 'male' I've found that has gone herm on re-veg. It was the last plant in my closet to show sex, it didn't show until flowering. View attachment 4442680View attachment 4442681
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I hold the opinion this plant has enough recessive alleal (spelling is a problem for me you see i missed ciliacs above) pairings that the enviroment triggered what we generally consider a singular genetic trait. I also think as we are chucking there is a risk of reverting to monoecious strains, lets be careful chuckers we cant see the genetics, only the expressions.
 
MrToad69

MrToad69

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SSGrower said:
This is one way for a recessive polygenetic trait to slip through the cracks.

I hold the opinion this plant has enough recessive alleal (spelling is a problem for me you see i missed ciliacs above) pairings that the enviroment triggered what we generally consider a singular genetic trait. I also think as we are chucking there is a risk of reverting to monoecious strains, lets be careful chuckers we cant see the genetics, only the expressions.
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Nice to see some chuckers aware of the the implications of their tinkering..:)

The fundamental difference between gentotype and phenotype shows the importance of documentation and observation when breeding. Back-crossing helps to reveal those hidden traits within the pool of rare recessive traits...both good and bad.

It's also important for chuckers to understand Mendel's Law's , so that projects are more than just random stabs..Homozygous vs Heterozygous genotypes..and said identification, help determine the end goal, which constantly morphs and evolves in new directions...hopefully for the better.
 
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