Novel coronavirus introduced to humans in exotic animal meat market.

doublejj

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I wasn't aware the UAE had any cases. Anyway, no need for surprise at this point. It's out and most of the research is pointing to an r0 of 3-4 with asymptomatic human to human airborne spread. I have accepted that I will catch it.

Thanks dogeaters!
My wife and i both have 'colds' right now.....
 

Fogdog

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Reports in Wuhan of incinerators running day and night. A resident states it would mean they are getting rid of 300-700 bodies a day. This could be bs but everything this guy has been reporting has been true so far.
aw, come on man.

Post something that comes from a legitimate source. The facts that are available are enough to raise concern without woo-woo "reports of" unverified claims.
 

Fogdog

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There is good reason to believe this came from a Chinese Bio-weapons Lab in Wuhan. Intentionally or by accident. But it's a lab created combo virus either intended as a vaccine or a weapon....probably escaped thru sketchy lab protocols in China
No being disrespect, jj.

Need more than good reasons, to believe it came from Chinese Bio lab, though. Without any evidence, I could just as easily and reasonably postulate that this outbreak came from a CIA operation in retaliation by Trump not getting his way in trade negotiations.

Natural sources are just as good of an explanation. Simpler, more history behind it.
 

doublejj

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No being disrespect, jj.

Need more than good reasons, to believe it came from Chinese Bio lab, though. Without any evidence, I could just as easily and reasonably postulate that this outbreak came from a CIA operation in retaliation by Trump not getting his way in trade negotiations.

Natural sources are just as good of an explanation. Simpler, more history behind it.
Viral geneticists have analyzed the makeup of this virus and determined that it's highly unlikely a natural mutation. Most certainty lab created. This lab in Wuhan has a history of leaks, it is likely that SARS escaped from there also....
 

captainmorgan

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Last summer Chinese scientists were removed from a Canadian level 4 facility and barred from returning and the lab won't say why. There is a level 4 facility is in Wuhan. Early reports say only 13 of the first 41 patients could be linked to the market. A former Israeli military intelligence officer that holds a doctorate in medical microbiology that says the Wuhan lab is linked to bio weapons and thinks it's a leak. Or bat girl had a cold and created a new deadly super bug, which is more far fetched?
 

Fogdog

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Viral geneticists have analyzed the makeup of this virus and determined that it's highly unlikely a natural mutation. Most certainty lab created. This lab in Wuhan has a history of leaks, it is likely that SARS escaped from there also....
Not saying I don't believe, just not jumping until more is known. Source from a Chinese lab doesn't really change anything does it? Also, if true that it came from a lab, the CIA could have created it, couldn't it?

I'm trying to do the opposite of creating a rumor and not denying it. I'm just skeptical about this at the moment.
 

doublejj

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Not saying I don't believe, just not jumping until more is known. Source from a Chinese lab doesn't really change anything does it? Also, if true that it came from a lab, the CIA could have created it, couldn't it?

I'm trying to do the opposite of creating a rumor and not denying it. I'm just skeptical about this at the moment.
There is a chance that this was created elsewhere and released in China however it's more likely than not (IMO) to be an accidental release from the local lab. I would like to believe this was accidental rather than intentional, until more evidence comes out.
 

Budley Doright

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Not saying I don't believe, just not jumping until more is known. Source from a Chinese lab doesn't really change anything does it? Also, if true that it came from a lab, the CIA could have created it, couldn't it?

I'm trying to do the opposite of creating a rumor and not denying it. I'm just skeptical about this at the moment.
And your right, doesn’t matter if it escaped from the lab at this point.
 

abandonconflict

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Viral geneticists have analyzed the makeup of this virus and determined that it's highly unlikely a natural mutation. Most certainty lab created. This lab in Wuhan has a history of leaks, it is likely that SARS escaped from there also....
OK, let's give this notion very serious consideration. Who exactly stands to benefit if it was intentional? We already know they stole a lot of biotech.
 

captainmorgan

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What I would like to know is if you get a serious enough case to require a hospital stay and survive, do people fully recover or are their lungs damaged by it?
 

abandonconflict

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What I would like to know is if you get a serious enough case to require a hospital stay and survive, do people fully recover or are their lungs damaged by it?
One can heal 100% from ARDS, however, hypoxia can lead to permanent brain damage, it depends on the care but a decent facility with doctors doing their jobs should be able to save most patients. Certain comorbidities can cause additional complications.

edit* ARDS = Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome. This is the serious complication referred to regarding 2019nCoV.
 

captainmorgan

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I ask because I had a friend that died from respiratory failure of some kind, she was in her early 40's. She had lung damage that progressively got worse until her death. It was a horrible way to go, feeling like your suffocating for years until it finally kills you.
 

Budzbuddha

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China says Wuhan coronavirus victims who die “ SHOULD “ be quickly cremated without funerals as death toll rises ........

Well boys and girls ... The zombie virus is here :shock:


Weed storage .... check
Cold Beer ...... check
Machete / Molotovs / Firearms ..... check check check
 
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