The Vietnam War was...

[Unclebaldrick]

Please complete the sentence.

 

[hanimmal]

...thankfully over before I would have been sent over to die in it.

Edit: I apologize if this is a shitty thing to say, or causes anyone distress.

 

[potroastV2]

... a shitty thing to start a thread about.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

... a shitty thing to start a thread about.

Sorry you feel that way. Too soon?

This came up at work this last week when I brought up Jane Fonda in respect to the film Klute. I started to realize how completely different the perceptions of the people I work with and live among are from my own and I have been thinking about it ever since (especuially in the MAGA context).

If you want to delete the thread, I am ok with it. I was not looking to tear off a scab or pick a fight.

Maybe I should have asked about Klute.

 

[potroastV2]

For those of us who lived through it, just the mention can be a trigger of bad feelings.

For me, the draft was always a worrying subject. Then I started college, and applied for a student deferment, and Congress decided to disallow deferments for new college students!

Then came my draft number drawing day, and my birthday was drawn fourth! I considered moving to Canada, but when you're a teenager that's a very difficult decision. So I had to drop out of school, and join up.

Fuck, I just woke up on Sunday morning, and now I'm distressed.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

For those of us who lived through it, just the mention can be a trigger of bad feelings.

For me, the draft was always a worrying subject. Then I started college, and applied for a student deferment, and Congress decided to disallow deferments for new college students!

Then came my draft number drawing day, and my birthday was drawn fourth! I considered moving to Canada, but when you're a teenager that's a very difficult decision. So I had to drop out of school, and join up.

Fuck, I just woke up on Sunday morning, and now I'm distressed.

Sorry. But it kind of answers the question. Like I said, if you want to delete the thread, I would have no hard feelings.

Out here in the Deep Red the whole thing is still seen as a noble cause and protesters of all types are still viewed as deeply un-American.

I am deeply concerned for this country's soul now that we revere people like Eddie Gallagher.

Not sure what I was expecting. It is hard to believe that anybody here is stupid enough to say that out loud.

 

[hanimmal]

Sorry. But it kind of answers the question. Like I said, if you want to delete the thread, I would have no hard feelings.

Out here in the Deep Red the whole thing is still seen as a noble cause and protesters of all types are still viewed as deeply un-American.

I am deeply concerned for this country's soul now that we revere people like Eddie Gallagher.

Not sure what I was expecting. It is hard to believe that anybody here is stupid enough to say that out loud.

omg, I didn't actually think anyone would think of that guy like Trump wants him to be viewed. Is that actually a thing that is happening? That is scary.

 

[Jimdamick]

was an abomination that forever changed the way that children would look at their parents in the future in this country.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

omg, I didn't actually think anyone would think of that guy like Trump wants him to be viewed. Is that actually a thing that is happening? That is scary.

And these are people in their 40s that are deeply religious. It boggles my mind.

 

[Unclebaldrick]

@rollitup , sorry I harshed your Sunday. I feel the need to make amends. Do you have a copy of Barbarella?

 

[Rob Roy]

The Vietnam war was a war of aggression fought on one side by conscripted (drafted) slaves and some useful idiots.

The other side was fought by people trying to repel invaders. The good guys won and drove out the invaders.

 

[londonfog]

The Vietnam war was a conflict in which lives were lost unnecessary.

 

[TacoMac]

The Vietnam war was the second installment of the creation of the military industrial complex which has done nothing but escalate to this day.

 

[taint]

The Vietnam war was fucked.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

What happens when you fuck up diplomatically and an example of the danger of recent cuts to and attacks on the state department. When the state department and the spooks fail, the military has to do the job.

 

[Budley Doright]

What happens when you fuck up diplomatically and an example of the danger of recent cuts to and attacks on the state department. When the state department and the spooks fail, the military has to do the job.

I was with ya right up to the spook part.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I was with ya right up to the spook part.

The spooks played a big part in the early history of the Vietnam war and their failure to liaison with Ho and open diplomatic channels for the state department. Later governments got hornswoggled by the French when they tried to reassert control after the war and got beat up real bad. America could have taken a different tact in southeast asia then. The British were in the rapid process of getting the fuck out of where they were not wanted, but did fight the commies in the colonies, before withdrawing. Vietnam was a war of independence by the people, America got sucked into playing the role of the British, as in the American war of independence, it became an unpopular, dragged out war, far from home with huge cost and logistical issues. Besides, they made far more money from the sugar trade in the Caribbean than from all of north America, that's what the powerful cared about in britain.

 

[Jimdamick]

The Vietnam war was fucked.

And the American public has become sooo fucking numb to the carnage of war that still too this day, we as a Nation yawn at our "New" seemingly endless war in Afghanistan.
Think about that
I have spent my entire life as a US citizen in a state of War, not even for a week in 64 fucking years have I not read about or witnessed on a TV screen an act of aggression performed by the US.
We're the biggest warmongers on the fucking Planet & yet we have the audacity to point fingers at others for they're supposed barbarism.
Talk about Sophistry

 

[Budley Doright]

The spooks played a big part in the early history of the Vietnam war and their failure to liaison with Ho and open diplomatic channels for the state department. Later governments got hornswoggled by the French when they tried to reassert control after the war and got beat up real bad. America could have taken a different tact in southeast asia then. The British were in the rapid process of getting the fuck out of where they were not wanted, but did fight the commies in the colonies, before withdrawing. Vietnam was a war of independence by the people, America got sucked into playing the role of the British, as in the American war of independence, it became an unpopular, dragged out war, far from home with huge cost and logistical issues. Besides, they made far more money from the sugar trade in the Caribbean than from all of north America, that's what the powerful cared about in britain.

I know how the Vietnam war came about, it’s basically why I’m Canadian . My old man came here (legally) to avoid it, he was lucky to have a choice IMO. I misinterpreted your point as I thought you were saying we should rely on the “spooks” to avert war when in fact they’ve fucked up everything they’ve done and caused more conflict in the name of democracy.

 

[hillbill]

was an abomination that forever changed the way that children would look at their parents in the future in this country.

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Cannot even think about seeing that fucking video ever again
Triggered
Fuckin triggered here