the bernie sanders oppo research file
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UncleBuck
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They are facts not smearsWatch how little your trifling smears affect Sanders' success in this race. They may actually help him, so keep it up!
Pro-Israel Democratic super PAC takes aim at Bernie Sanders in Iowa
A pro-Israel Democratic super PAC is launching a new television ad on Wednesday in Iowa that questions Sen. Bernie Sanders' electability and raises the specter of his health following a heart attack last fall.www.cnn.com
Op-Ed: Pro-Israel super PAC to quit running anti-Sanders advertisements - Digital Journal
Mark Mellman president of the Democratic Majority for Israel said it would focus on congressional races and had no plans to endorse any candidate in thewww.digitaljournal.com
Authoring rape porno will not help him
DIY-HP-LED
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DIY-HP-LED
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Bernie is in the news and all the rage, causing some rage too! Anyway that's my story and I'm sticking to it, go where the content is!
I've seen a few of them thar meltdowns.
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Bernie Sanders’ Rise Prompts Media Meltdown, Establishment Panic: A Closer Look
Seth takes a closer look at some pundits and members of the Democratic establishment panicking after Bernie Sanders won the Nevada caucus in a landslide.
I've seen a few of them thar meltdowns.
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Bernie Sanders’ Rise Prompts Media Meltdown, Establishment Panic: A Closer Look
Seth takes a closer look at some pundits and members of the Democratic establishment panicking after Bernie Sanders won the Nevada caucus in a landslide.
tangerinegreen555
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What are you going to say if he wins the nomination but loses the general election?
Got your excuses lined up or will you use the same ones you used when he lost to Hillary 4 years ago?
There's a lot of states that will suck up Trump's calling Bernie a communist over and over. This country has gone pretty far to the right for the last 40 years, but 78 year old Bernie is going to lead a political revolution farther to the left than this country has ever been.
I'll believe it when I see it. Don't hold your breath.
Fogdog
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Mark Blyth, the economist who's making sense
The only poll that mattered in the 2016 general election was the EC, yet you constantly criticize it Your "only poll that matters" argument is astoundingly weak The election was the only poll that mattered. Yes, that's a fact.
www.rollitup.org
So, here it is. The core belief of Bernie Bros.
"People, specifically, people who hold progressive positions, vote Republican because they feel like the Democratic Party doesn't represent their interests."
Let that sink in.
According to Padaraper, people who hold core "Progressive" values such as "increasing the minimum wage", "increasing taxes on wealthy people and corporations", "end the war on drugs" -- in Alabama and Mississippi and Kansas and states elsewhere that are controlled by Republicans -- prefer raving right wing racist and punitively authoritarian religious and conservative government to Democrats because Democrats aren't progressive enough.
This is the kind of uninformed thinking, detached from reality, that is the core of Bernie's base of support.
Fortunately, they have only been able to mount a weak result in the early days of this primary. No wonder that Trump wants Bernie to win.
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Padawanbater2
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Establishment Democrats depress the vote because nobody is excited to vote for someone telling them what they can't have. Warren stopped Delaney's campaign in its tracks with that line of reasoning during one of the first debates;
abandonconflict
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I'm sure there's 30 trillion dollars lying around somewhere...
hanimmal
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People should stop thinking that they need a exciting cult leader to vote for, we don't.
We need people who are highly capable of doing the job of governing and legislating for all of America and utilizing the resources we give them in the form of taxes and labor of the people working for the government in the most efficient way they can.
UncleBuck
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It’s cute that you think Delaney had a campaign
captainmorgan
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Dead beat dad bernie will deal the death blow to democracy if given the nomination.
Unclebaldrick
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Sanders Says He’ll Attract a Wave of New Voters. It Hasn’t Happened.
Bernie Sanders has so far prevailed by expanding his appeal among traditional Democratic voters, not by driving record turnout.
Senator Bernie Sanders at a “Get Out the Early Vote” rally at the University of Nevada in Las Vegas this month.Credit...Bridget Bennett for The New York Times
By Sydney Ember and Nate Cohn
- Feb. 24, 2020
And yet despite a virtual tie in Iowa, a narrow victory in New Hampshire and a big triumph in Nevada, the first three nominating contests reveal a fundamental challenge for Mr. Sanders’s political revolution: He may be winning, but not because of his longstanding pledge to expand the Democratic base.
The results so far show that Mr. Sanders has prevailed by broadening his appeal among traditional Democratic voters, not by fundamentally transforming the electorate.
In Iowa, for instance, turnout for the caucuses was lower than expected, up 3 percent compared with 2016, and the increase was concentrated in more well-educated areas where Mr. Sanders struggled, according to a New York Times analysis; in the Iowa precincts where Mr. Sanders won, turnout increased by only 1 percentage point.
There was no sign of a Sanders voter surge in New Hampshire either, nor on Saturday in Nevada, where the nearly final results indicated that turnout would finish above 2016 but well short of 2008 levels, despite a decade of population growth and a new early voting option that attracted some 75,000 voters. The low numbers are all the more striking given the huge turnout in the 2018 midterm elections, which was the highest in a century.
There was also no clear evidence across the early states of much greater participation by young people, a typically low-turnout group that makes up a core part of Mr. Sanders’s base and that he has long said he can motivate to get out to the polls. And Mr. Sanders has struggled to overcome his longstanding weakness in affluent, well-educated suburbs, where Democrats excelled in the midterm elections and where many traditionally Republican voters are skeptical about President Trump’s performance, meaning they could be up for grabs in November.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/24/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-voters.html
When your strategy to beat Trump depends on a fiction, why should it matter if his policies do too?
hanimmal
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Sanders Says He’ll Attract a Wave of New Voters. It Hasn’t Happened.
Bernie Sanders has so far prevailed by expanding his appeal among traditional Democratic voters, not by driving record turnout.
Senator Bernie Sanders at a “Get Out the Early Vote” rally at the University of Nevada in Las Vegas this month.Credit...Bridget Bennett for The New York Times
By Sydney Ember and Nate Cohn
CHARLESTON, S.C. — It is the most politically provocative part of Senator Bernie Sanders’s campaign pitch: that his progressive movement will bring millions of nonvoters into the November election, driving record turnout especially among disaffected working-class Americans and young people.
- Feb. 24, 2020
And yet despite a virtual tie in Iowa, a narrow victory in New Hampshire and a big triumph in Nevada, the first three nominating contests reveal a fundamental challenge for Mr. Sanders’s political revolution: He may be winning, but not because of his longstanding pledge to expand the Democratic base.
The results so far show that Mr. Sanders has prevailed by broadening his appeal among traditional Democratic voters, not by fundamentally transforming the electorate.
In Iowa, for instance, turnout for the caucuses was lower than expected, up 3 percent compared with 2016, and the increase was concentrated in more well-educated areas where Mr. Sanders struggled, according to a New York Times analysis; in the Iowa precincts where Mr. Sanders won, turnout increased by only 1 percentage point.
There was no sign of a Sanders voter surge in New Hampshire either, nor on Saturday in Nevada, where the nearly final results indicated that turnout would finish above 2016 but well short of 2008 levels, despite a decade of population growth and a new early voting option that attracted some 75,000 voters. The low numbers are all the more striking given the huge turnout in the 2018 midterm elections, which was the highest in a century.
There was also no clear evidence across the early states of much greater participation by young people, a typically low-turnout group that makes up a core part of Mr. Sanders’s base and that he has long said he can motivate to get out to the polls. And Mr. Sanders has struggled to overcome his longstanding weakness in affluent, well-educated suburbs, where Democrats excelled in the midterm elections and where many traditionally Republican voters are skeptical about President Trump’s performance, meaning they could be up for grabs in November.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/24/us/politics/bernie-sanders-democratic-voters.html
When your strategy to beat Trump depends on a fiction, why should it matter if his policies do too?
Fogdog
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Cognitive bias
because nobody is excited to vote for someone telling them what they can't have
Really? so you are really defending this idea that there is a wellspring of hidden liberals who vote for Republikkkans because "establishment Democrats" (whatever that is) stated the obvious?
Aside from the laughable idea that Bernie can win over the much needed conservative-minded independent voters with his Socialist-Democrat policy plans, where is the evidence that all these hidden voters are swamping Democrats with their votes during this primary?
DIY-HP-LED
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Panic Over Sanders Unsupported By Data | All In | MSNBC
Some Democrats are freaking out now that Bernie Sanders is the frontrunner for the nomination, but the polling data doesn't support their fears that he would lose and lose big against Trump. Aired on 02/24/20.
Some Democrats are freaking out now that Bernie Sanders is the frontrunner for the nomination, but the polling data doesn't support their fears that he would lose and lose big against Trump. Aired on 02/24/20.
hanimmal
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Because the Russians are still supporting him.
What happens when they turn off that spigot? What happens when they start instead hammering him......
Fogdog
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You've won the argument with me. I was a bit skeptical at first but the weight of evidence is on your side.
Regarding the overblown and so-called "panic" over Bernie that is trumpeted by the press: The only people who are freaking out are people who are bad with numbers. Bernie's results up to this date are not any better than in 2016, when he lost to Clinton. This time around, he's likely get a plurality but his delegate count looks to be the same as in 2016.
Been also saying that Bernie can't win in the fall. I point to the fact that Bernie can't even get a majority of mostly liberal Democrats to vote for him. If he can't even convince a majority of left-leaning Democrats to vote for him, what makes anybody think more conservative independent voters will choose to cast their votes for him in the fall? Those independent voters were the ones who turned toward Trump instead of Clinton the last time and handed Trump the wins in key states that gave Republicans the WH.
I think the panic is over concerns of what a brokered convention will look like and the bad press that will generate. Probably is a valid concern. By that time, Bernie and his Russian backers will have put Democrats at a disadvantage to Trump. Though not nearly as bad of a disadvantage as handing the nomination to Bernie. These are the facts we'll have to deal with once the primary is said and done.
Denial that Putin's and Republican propaganda are at work to support this scenario requires denial of the facts.
hanimmal
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I tried really hard to not go after Bernie for it too, other than pointing out what occurred in 2016. As soon as it came out that he knew for over a month (while Biden was getting impeached) that he was still getting help, I could not (and can not) in good conscious not start pushing back on him as hard as Trump.
The Democrats can't do what the Republicans did and just let their most extreme political members take over their entire party with Russia picking their candidates, just because it is effective and easy. The last 50 years have been a very long hard climb, this can't be what undoes everything that has been gained.
America deserve better than that.