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abandonconflict

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Many of those who become critically ill are not old, infirm or suffering from any comorbidities. Even many healthcare workers have been killed by 2019nCoV.

By all means, dismiss sensational fears, but do take precautions and if you get sick, be in a hospital as soon as you have pneumonia. ARDS can certainly kill you even if you're healthy and in your prime with no other health concerns.
 

Sofa King Smoooth

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37 million people in Canada and 18 confirmed cases yet every store is now sold out of hand sanitizer, alcohol, toilet paper? I stocked up not for the virus but for the lack of shit (no pun intended lol) available due to panick buying. I don’t know but am I the only one that sees a bit of an over reaction to this? Yes I am concerned but really?
Some supplies are in the hands of those who are prepping for the virus but how much is in the hands of hoarders and prospectors planning to gouge people with resales?
 

abandonconflict

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Educated opinion piece. This is written by a relevant health professional well informed in the current data on the virus. She is speculating on why the virus might cause critical reactions in some but not others. It is true that comorbidities do correlate with fatalities but just often enough to cause concern, this is not the case. She thinks it's the immune response and I think she's on to something.
experts theorize that whether a coronavirus infection takes a turn for the worse depends on a person’s immune response. “The virus matters, but the host response matters at least as much, and probably more"

Anyway I found it an interesting read and will again state that this is an opinion piece based on well informed analysis.
 

ColoradoHighGrower

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This could get interesting with as high of an R0 as being reported...

The United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) began counting the 2017–2018 "flu season" as October 2017, and by early February 2018, the epidemic was still widespread and increasing overall. By February 2018, the CDC said that the circulating virus strains included both B strains (Yamagata and Victoria), H1N1 and H3N2.[6] On February 10, 2018, Fortune reported that influenza in the United States was killing up to 4,000 Americans a week, likely to far outstrip the rate of deaths in the 2009–2010 season. An expert[who?] said that the main time of the flu that year had not "changed enough from previous seasons to be considered a novel strain."[citation needed] In the first week of February, deaths from influenza and pneumonia were responsible for one of every ten deaths in the US, with 4,064 from pneumonia or influenza recorded in the third week of 2018, according to CDC data. The CDC also reported 63 child deaths at that point, half of which were not considered medically high risk, and only about 20 percent who were vaccinated.[7][8] Only two of those deaths were babies under six months old.[9]

The 2017-2018 flu season was severe for all populations and resulted in an estimated 959,000 hospitalizations and 61,099 deaths. This is the highest number of patient claims since the 2009 flu season.[10] 186 pediatric deaths were reported to the CDC.[3] It is estimated there were more than 600 pediatric deaths related to influenza. This estimation is made because every child death is not tested for influenza.[10]
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Coronavirus outbreak spreads across the world


What the number of days between a county's first case and first death could mean
The time between first recognized case and first recognized death may be an indicator of how capable a country is at finding and responding to diseases, new analysis shows.
Resolve to Save Lives, a health initiative to prevent epidemics, looked at ten countries with 50 or more coronavirus cases as of Monday.
The group's analysis showed that countries that had their first death within 30 days of its first reported case had a higher total case and death counts, higher case-fatality rate, and more average cases per day overall.
Countries that had no death within the first 30 days had a much lower total case and death count, lower case-fatality rate, and fewer average cases per day.
Here's the country-by-country breakdown:

 

Fogdog

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Coronavirus outbreak spreads across the world

What the number of days between a county's first case and first death could mean
The time between first recognized case and first recognized death may be an indicator of how capable a country is at finding and responding to diseases, new analysis shows.
Resolve to Save Lives, a health initiative to prevent epidemics, looked at ten countries with 50 or more coronavirus cases as of Monday.
The group's analysis showed that countries that had their first death within 30 days of its first reported case had a higher total case and death counts, higher case-fatality rate, and more average cases per day overall.
Countries that had no death within the first 30 days had a much lower total case and death count, lower case-fatality rate, and fewer average cases per day.
Here's the country-by-country breakdown:

Just glancing at that chart, it seems the US is probably under-reporting cases.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Just glancing at that chart, it seems the US is probably under-reporting cases.
That is gonna change dramatically with testing, the cat is outta the bag in you neck of the woods Foggy, it's arrived at your doorstep already. I imagine over the next two weeks the testing will increase as will the numbers of infections, state and local authorities are publicly reporting and can't be muzzled, doctors are still complaining that they can't get test kits and there is a shortage in the US. Good Luck
 

Fogdog

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37 million people in Canada and 18 confirmed cases yet every store is now sold out of hand sanitizer, alcohol, toilet paper? I stocked up not for the virus but for the lack of shit (no pun intended lol) available due to panick buying. I don’t know but am I the only one that sees a bit of an over reaction to this? Yes I am concerned but really?
I'm there with you on this. I see a contradiction in how people are responding, how governments are responding and what I've perceived or experienced during my lifetime. How many flu seasons have we both gone through? Decades of them. I've even come down from pneumonia after contracting the a flu long time ago, I know that the flu can be really bad. Good thing we have antibiotics or I'd be dead. Yet my gut feeling is "meh, this is just another flu".

The part that makes me pause is how strongly China has responded and how much more alert world health authorities are about this one. I'll find out sooner rather than later. Cases are popping up around the Pacific NW. We even saw an infestation hit a long term care facility, not far from here in Umatilla, just like I was worried about. So, yeah, I'm dealing with a bit of cognitive dissonance between what I feel and what I read or see in vids.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Delayed U.S. response to coronavirus could have serious consequences, health experts say

More than 100 cases confirmed across the U.S., with current death toll at 6


The delayed response by the U.S. government to the coronavirus outbreak could have significant ramifications, including the number of people ultimately diagnosed as infected and potential fatalities from the disease, some health policy experts say.

On Monday, U.S. authorities confirmed more than 100 cases across the country, while in Seattle, officials announced four more deaths, bringing the total in the U.S. to six. However both numbers are expected to rise dramatically and U.S. President Donald Trump has blamed political rivals for "fear mongering" about the spread of the virus.

"There is a feeling among the public health community, that this administration should have been doing much more, much faster, and there's still probably much more that could and should be done," said Rebecca Katz, director of the Center for Global Health Science and Security at Georgetown University.

"Unfortunately, we might measure the ramifications in morbidity and mortality."

Singapore, for example, has been taking aggressive measures on contact tracing — identifying individuals who may have come into contact with an infected person — for every potential case in order to isolate or quarantine, Katz said.

"And those measures have a direct impact on how much the disease is spreading within their community. So the implications are if we're not doing that, if we're not taking those actions, then the disease spreads."

'Feeling of frustration'
While U.S. state and local authorities carry much of the responsibility for public health issues, the federal government can provide resources to those jurisdictions.

"There is a feeling of frustration ... that the federal government could be way more in front of making sure that our frontline health care workers have the resources that they need ... that we are moving money, that there are hotlines set up, that we are communicating more regularly," Katz said.

The Trump administration has come under fire for what some consider a slow response to the crisis. In particular, critics have zeroed in on delays in testing people suspected of being infected with the coronavirus. (Evan Vucci/Associated Press)
For the most part, there have been "wonderful experts" working hard to address this crisis, said Josh Michaud, associate director of global health policy at the Kaiser Family Foundation, a California-based non-profit group.

"There have been some clear areas where the U.S. response has faltered," he said.

The Trump administration has come under fire for what some claim has been a slow response to the crisis. In particular, critics have zeroed in on delays in testing people suspected of being infected.

The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) recently broadened its guidelines for who should be tested to include people with symptoms but without a travel history to virus hot zones.

Katz said other countries have already been testing tens of thousands more people than the U.S.

"So the fact that we're just really ramping up our testing this week feels a bit delayed and feels like we're probably missing a whole bunch of cases in the United States," she said.

For an almost inexplicably long time, Michaud said, there were tight restrictions on who was recommended to be tested, how many tests were available, which locations could run the tests and on the number of tests that could run in a day.

That was, in part, due to how the tests were developed by the CDC and one of the ingredients not working as expected, he said.

"But to address that, it seemed to take longer than it probably should," Michaud said. "And the development of this kind of test ... it's not, shall we say, rocket science.

"So it speaks to the fact that there has been some management and administrative barriers along the way to getting this test developed, approved and out the door to the places that need to test."

What that means, Michaud suggested, is that the U.S. is somewhat in the dark about the distribution of this disease, how many cases, where these cases have come from and where there are active transmission chains.

"That is the recipe for flying blind," he said. "So the expectation is that when we do expand testing, all of a sudden there's going to be a mushrooming of cases that have been there."
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DIY-HP-LED

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I'm there with you on this. I see a contradiction in how people are responding, how governments are responding and what I've perceived or experienced during my lifetime. How many flu seasons have we both gone through? Decades of them. I've even come down from pneumonia after contracting the a flu long time ago, I know that the flu can be really bad. Good thing we have antibiotics or I'd be dead. Yet my gut feeling is "meh, this is just another flu".

The part that makes me pause is how strongly China has responded and how much more alert world health authorities are about this one. I'll find out sooner rather than later. Cases are popping up around the Pacific NW. We even saw an infestation hit a long term care facility, not far from here in Umatilla, just like I was worried about. So, yeah, I'm dealing with a bit of cognitive dissonance between what I feel and what I read or see in vids.
Here is what your up against today in your county, it does not look good at all, they dragged this guy out of the basketball game sick as a dog and infectious as fucking Hell!
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3rd Oregon coronavirus patient is casino worker who attended youth basketball game in Umatilla County
Updated Mar 03, 4:12 AM; Posted Mar 02, 10:06 AM


Oregon’s third presumptive coronavirus case is a casino worker who attended a youth basketball game at a Umatilla County middle school, authorities announced Monday as one of the state’s top health officials said he expects more cases to develop, including ones that could prove fatal.


Dr. Dean Sidelinger, the state’s health officer, said the virus will continue to spread in Oregon but that the health system is prepared for the disease.

“We know that people are scared,” he said. “We are learning more and more about this disease every day.”

Of the three Oregon patients, one has mild symptoms but the Oregon Health Authority has declined to give out the conditions of the other two, who are receiving hospital treatment.

Sidelinger continued to urge calm and advise regular hand-washing, even as the epidemiologist acknowledged that having multiple cases of unknown origin in the state could mean that the coronavirus is “fairly widespread in our community."


But the majority of people who get sick worldwide have a mild course of the disease, Sidelinger said, and those who need to be hospitalized usually have underlying symptoms.

Health officials currently are monitoring 101 Oregonians for symptoms because of their travel patterns or their contact with people known to have COVID-19. They will be tested for the disease only if they develop symptoms within 14 days their last potential exposure.

The man from Umatilla County with coronavirus was taken Saturday from the basketball game at Weston Middle School in Weston, a tiny town near the Oregon-Washington border, to a hospital in Walla Walla, Wash., officials said.

The school gym is closed for a deep cleaning, the state said. The gym is detached from the main school building. Weston Middle School enrolls 250 students in grades four through eight.

People who attended the game have a low risk of exposure to the virus and there is no risk of exposure at the main school, state health officials said.
 

Fogdog

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Here is what your up against today in your county, it does not look good at all, they dragged this guy out of the basketball game sick as a dog and infectious as fucking Hell!
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3rd Oregon coronavirus patient is casino worker who attended youth basketball game in Umatilla County
Updated Mar 03, 4:12 AM; Posted Mar 02, 10:06 AM


Oregon’s third presumptive coronavirus case is a casino worker who attended a youth basketball game at a Umatilla County middle school, authorities announced Monday as one of the state’s top health officials said he expects more cases to develop, including ones that could prove fatal.


Dr. Dean Sidelinger, the state’s health officer, said the virus will continue to spread in Oregon but that the health system is prepared for the disease.

“We know that people are scared,” he said. “We are learning more and more about this disease every day.”

Of the three Oregon patients, one has mild symptoms but the Oregon Health Authority has declined to give out the conditions of the other two, who are receiving hospital treatment.

Sidelinger continued to urge calm and advise regular hand-washing, even as the epidemiologist acknowledged that having multiple cases of unknown origin in the state could mean that the coronavirus is “fairly widespread in our community."


But the majority of people who get sick worldwide have a mild course of the disease, Sidelinger said, and those who need to be hospitalized usually have underlying symptoms.

Health officials currently are monitoring 101 Oregonians for symptoms because of their travel patterns or their contact with people known to have COVID-19. They will be tested for the disease only if they develop symptoms within 14 days their last potential exposure.

The man from Umatilla County with coronavirus was taken Saturday from the basketball game at Weston Middle School in Weston, a tiny town near the Oregon-Washington border, to a hospital in Walla Walla, Wash., officials said.

The school gym is closed for a deep cleaning, the state said. The gym is detached from the main school building. Weston Middle School enrolls 250 students in grades four through eight.

People who attended the game have a low risk of exposure to the virus and there is no risk of exposure at the main school, state health officials said.
My dog recently completed a course of medication to treat her for giardia. If I had had it, I'd be sick as a dog. She was ok, though. Her main objection was the stepped up number of bath days.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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My dog recently completed a course of medication to treat her for giardia. If I had had it, I'd be sick as a dog. She was ok, though. Her main objection was the stepped up number of bath days.
Didn't mean to cast aspersions on dogs! I've got two tom cats myself and love em like they were my kids, try taking a cat to the vet!
 

Fogdog

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Didn't mean to cast aspersions on dogs! I've got two tom cats myself and love em like they were my kids, try taking a cat to the vet!
LOL, yeah we have had cats. We learned to get them comfortable, snoozing in our lap with the cat carrier just feet away. Scoop her or him up, stuff kitty in the carrier, lock it up. From then on, complaints, whines, meowws and totally leave the handling up to the pros. Did you know that vets can bleed red blood just like you and me? I've seen it. Yes indeed. They bleed red blood just like you and me.

I just found the "sick as a dog" analogy funny in light of how few times my dog has gotten sick. Usually, she goes outside, eats grass, does that hurkey-jerky stomach wrenching vomit, then comes inside asking for more dinner. As if no problem, fixed it.

When I get sick, nobody wants to be around me. I don't suffer well. Big baby. I'd like to be sick as a dog sometime.
 

Lucky Luke

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I'll be keeping a eye on Australia, they claim success at containing it with only 34 cases. They are heading for winter which might kick the virus into over drive, if it does, that may be a preview of our next cold weather season.
Its spreading though. Prime Minister said they will be implementing movement laws.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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How Coronavirus Kills: Acute Respiratory Distress Syndrome (ARDS) & Treatment

How Coronavirus causes fatalities from acute respiratory distress syndrome (ARDS) by pulmonologist Dr. Seheult of https://www.medcram.com
This video illustrates how viruses can cause pneumonia or widespread lung inflammation resulting in ARDS.
Includes evidenced-based ARDS treatment breakthrough strategies: Low tidal volume ventilation, paralysis, and prone positioning.

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DIY-HP-LED

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Today's update
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Coronavirus Epidemic Update 29: Testing problems, mutations, COVID-19 in Washington & Iran

Coronavirus Update 29 with pulmonologist Dr. Seheult of https://www.MedCram.com.
Topics include COVID-19 testing problems and shortages in the United States, Mutation of SARS-CoV2, Rapid growth of confirmed coronavirus cases in Iran, South Korea, Washington State, among many other places.

See our first 28 videos on the novel coronavirus outbreak that began in Wuhan, China:
 

Budley Doright

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Some supplies are in the hands of those who are prepping for the virus but how much is in the hands of hoarders and prospectors planning to gouge people with resales?
I doubt many are buying it for that but sure I guess. It’s because the director of health Canada stated that we all need to stock up on 2 weeks worth of supplies .......... like WTF was she thinking, we had 8 cases at that point I think. This is where she tells 37 million people to buy 2 weeks worth of shit? So nope, I actually don’t have confidence in our government as DIY assumed lol. A measured approach and good monitoring of suspect travellers and a “wash your fucking hands” media blitz, yes that would be good. Sending 37 million people shopping over a weekend was not :(
PS: I did also say I was concerned and as fog said it’s the news storyline but when I look at the numbers I wonder WTF is this really about?
 
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DIY-HP-LED

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I doubt many are buying it for that but sure I guess. It’s because the director of health Canada stated that we all need to stock up on 2 weeks worth of supplies .......... like WTF was she thinking, we had 8 cases at that point I think. This is where she tells 37 million people to buy 2 weeks worth of shit? So nope, I actually don’t have confidence in our government as DIY assumed lol. A measured approach and good monitoring of suspect travellers and a “wash your fucking hands” media blitz, yes that would be good. Sending 37 million people shopping over a weekend was not :(
I see concern, but no panic, people are preparing to weather a storm and hunker down. With it starting to run wild in the States because of Trump's fuck ups we could see a rapid rise in cases, I imagine any doctor can test anybody he wants at this point in Canada, I've heard no complaints from the medical community so far. They might have to close the border or restrict entry, if the US turns into a giant fucking petri dish of infection. The border guards will be in PPE and be shooting incoming Americans at the border with a Thermometer gun before it's over.
 
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