Should bernie drop out

DIY-HP-LED

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I've always like the short skirt and combat boots thing.
with a Raspberry Beret beret...

Yeah
I was working part time in a five-and-dime
My boss was Mr. McGee
He told me several times that he didn't like my kind
'Cause I was a bit too leisurely
Seems that I was busy doing something close to nothing
But different than the day before
That's when I saw her, ooh, I saw her
She walked in through the out door, out door
She wore a
Raspberry beret
The kind you find in a second hand store
Raspberry beret
And if it was warm she wouldn't wear much more
Raspberry beret
I think I love her
...
 

rkymtnman

Well-Known Member
I had made up my mind to be silent about my reservations on Sanders if he won the nomination. I'm willing to respect the will of the majority. I also saw how the daily drone of criticism from the left suppressed the vote for Clinton in 2016. The effect was a nudge for Trump. He won by a small margin, if you recall. I could see no good coming from my voicing the same kind of negative bullshit that Cult of Sanders voiced in 2016 about Hillary.

So, now, Sanders' supporters are starting the whole negative drumbeat all over again. "Give me Sanders or I'll give you Trump". You just might succeed in doing just that.
And Sanders is getting beaten like a rented mule by Biden. He was in the ballpark against Hillary. This is a drubbing.

Sack up like a man, say we tried our best and let's work with Biden to defeat Trump. He won't.
 

rkymtnman

Well-Known Member
with a Raspberry Beret beret...

Yeah
I was working part time in a five-and-dime
My boss was Mr. McGee
He told me several times that he didn't like my kind
'Cause I was a bit too leisurely
Seems that I was busy doing something close to nothing
But different than the day before
That's when I saw her, ooh, I saw her
She walked in through the out door, out door
She wore a
Raspberry beret
The kind you find in a second hand store
Raspberry beret
And if it was warm she wouldn't wear much more
Raspberry beret
I think I love her
...
lol. long winter getting to you up there in nova scotia? i hear lobstahs are dirt cheap now that the chinese market is shut down
 

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
And Sanders is getting beaten like a rented mule by Biden. He was in the ballpark against Hillary. This is a drubbing.

Sack up like a man, say we tried our best and let's work with Biden to defeat Trump. He won't.
For Bernie, it was always about beating Democrats. At least he's being consistent. The asshole always did bite hands that were outstretched toward him. Like a bad tempered dog, he is. His followers are worse. Remember when @ttystikk said Trump's winning the presidency was the best thing to have happened?
 

rkymtnman

Well-Known Member
For Bernie, it was always about beating Democrats. At least he's being consistent. The asshole always did bite hands that were outstretched toward him. Like a bad tempered dog, he is. His followers are worse. Remember when @ttystikk said Trump's winning the presidency was the best thing to have happened?
and who's surprised that his new roomie wont' vote for biden? not me. saw that coming after the Biden train left South Carolina
 

zeddd

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Opinions (mine) range from: (straight) thanks bernie you made an interesting contribution to the political landscape but now is the time to respectfully bow out, to, (High on sativa Dom) Trumps fistpuppet is going to continue to be devisive, he’s on the Russian payroll. Drugs eh?
 

Unclebaldrick

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I figured they were monitors too, they would monitor several people at once though, for efficiency, maybe post a list of suspects and folks can cross reference?
Me post a list of suspects? Or that that would be what they are doing?

Damn it, I feel stupid even talking about it. The accounts that have followed me have been nothings. Like, a post or two if that and never in politics. But I understand a bit about the tradecraft and such things would be quite useful - especially since they are so deniable.

I am virtually certain that there is an effort (not that the effort required would be difficult or expensive) to resurrect dead accounts with weak passwords and turn them into politics-zombies. It isn't that I feel like this place is particularly influential but the hits are quite high which would warrant our inclusion if one were "flooding the zone". I know that the flooding the zone tactic is happening - quite certain of it. The very improbability of it ("oh come on, you can't be serious, why would foreign operatives bother with rollitup?") increases the impact and creates the impression of actual, organic, public opinion. Not to mention that it seeds the soil for actual dis-affected fascist troll children of the American variety. It costs very little to invade 10,000 websites but it creates the illusion of some sort of groundswell.

It's what I would do. And they are doing a pretty good job.
 

srh88

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I had made up my mind to be silent about my reservations on Sanders if he won the nomination. I'm willing to respect the will of the majority. I also saw how the daily drone of criticism from the left suppressed the vote for Clinton in 2016. The effect was a nudge for Trump. He won by a small margin, if you recall. I could see no good coming from my voicing the same kind of negative bullshit that Cult of Sanders voiced in 2016 about Hillary.

So, now, Sanders' supporters are starting the whole negative drumbeat all over again. "Give me Sanders or I'll give you Trump". You just might succeed in doing just that.
Gotta love it. They are only hurting themselves. I got insurance, decent pay and a roof over my head. I would have voted Bernie with no regrets if he won. But no.. give me bernie or else! Considering the way the last 4 years went and having a scotus pick coming up.. youd think these children and old woman would vote anyway they can to get trump out, but nah... they're just not going to vote then act surprised when bernie loses and cry about not voting biden.
They are just a bunch of fucking children. Spoiled little bitches who are used to getting their way. Fucking pussy losers lol
 

Unclebaldrick

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Gotta love it. They are only hurting themselves. I got insurance, decent pay and a roof over my head. I would have voted Bernie with no regrets if he won. But no.. give me bernie or else! Considering the way the last 4 years went and having a scotus pick coming up.. youd think these children and old woman would vote anyway they can to get trump out, but nah... they're just not going to vote then act surprised when bernie loses and cry about not voting biden.
They are just a bunch of fucking children. Spoiled little bitches who are used to getting their way. Fucking pussy losers lol
Shit, I would have busted my ass for the little asshole. But his supporters are worthless! The little bitches had the nerve to ask if I would vote for Bernie in the two week period where he appeared to be ahead ("post the delegate count!") when I had made it very clear that I would support the DemNom with every fiber of my being. And now look at them!
 

srh88

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Shit, I would have busted my ass for the little asshole. But his supporters are worthless! The little bitches had the nerve to ask if I would vote for Bernie in the two week period where he appeared to be ahead ("post the delegate count!") when I had made it very clear that I would support the DemNom with every fiber of my being. And now look at them!
Yep.. not even on here. But the very few berners I know i said I'd vote for barny. Shut i even made a 100 dollar bet here against bernie and I sincerely said I hope I lose my 100 bucks and I'll vote against my money.
I just want a better country. My way or else, is a complete bullshit childish act I wouldn't expect from anyone older than 7
 

hanimmal

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It's because the 2020 election is about fear. Mainly fear of another 4 years of Trump. People aren't voting for Biden because they think he would be the best President, they are voting for him because they believe that he has the best chance of beating Trump, due to the fear perpetuated that the US isn't ready to embrace a radically progressive agenda. In the vote of the 2016 primaries it was about Sanders vs Clinton; in the primary vote of 2020 it's about @ vs Trump.
I voted for Biden because I believe him to be the best candidate for the Democratic party.

And judging by the progressives I have seen, that is an agenda I do not agree with at all and think it is economically shortsighted.
Nah, I'm not resistant to your facts, you got it twisted. You cited Bernie's speech dividing the DemoParty and I said if what Bernie's saying is true, let it be heard then. If the DemoParty is divided, let it be heard then, if the DemoParty is not up to task, let it be heard then. Because that shows Bernie is able to self-criticize. I'm not part of the voting process but even I can see he is the most genuine leader the US has right now.
Yeah of the would be cult leaders, he is the better of the two. Luckily the Democratic party doesn't need that, it just needs competent people to be in the roles that govern our collaborative effort.

What is a DemoParty?

I cited an interview he made at a Unity Tour rally to NPR. I'm not claiming Bernie has been deceitful. His words and actions for the past four years have been consistently couched as if he were running against Democrats. Contrast what Perez said with what Bernie said. It's night and day difference.

Listen to Perez: "Donald Trump is a disaster. He's a threat to our democracy," Perez said. "And I think everybody in that room that we were in in Miami, and yesterday, and the day before, and tomorrow, and through the weekend, understands that."

Listen to Sanders: "How in God's name are they (Republicans) winning elections?" Sanders asked, exasperated. "And I think the answer to that is the failure of the Democratic Party — to have a progressive agenda, to bring people into the party, to mobilize people. And that's what I'm running around this country trying to do."

Is what Bernie said true? Your question is valid. So, go forth, prove it is. It's not on me to prove a negative. I can say it wasn't true in 2018, when Democratic Party leaders were criticized for favoring moderate candidates in Republican-held districts. The DNC's strategy to: "back moderates in contested districts" strategy worked quite well then, when they took away GOP control of the House. The same strategy held true in the special election in Alabama when Democratic Party leadership were criticized for endorsing a moderate who ended up winning the first Alabama Democratic Senate seat in ages.

Here is what Bernie said in Jackson, Mississippi last year:

"The business model, if you like, of the Democratic Party for the last 15 years or so has been a failure.. People sometimes don't see that because there was a charismatic individual named Barack Obama."

In his speeches, Bernie would have people believe that the Democratic Party lost ground because it wasn't supporting a far left agenda. I can't dispute the numbers. The Republican Party did well for itself in the 2010's. I dispute the leap of faith required to believe that a right wing fascist movement within the GOP succeeded because Democrats weren't far enough to the left. The logic fails.

On top of that, Bernie was willfully ignorant in his display of disregard for the sentiment of black voters who greatly admire Obama. He diminished Obama with dog whistle rhetoric. Obama was a very good president, yet Sanders claimed he was a failure but we were fooled by Obama's charisma. Buuuuuulshit. I can cite the accomplishments made during his tenure if you like.

Beating Trump is necessary and will make real difference in the lives of millions, not to mention ending the degradation Republicans are inflicting upon our system of government. Trump asserted the rights of a king during his impeachment trial and Republican Senators backed him. So, yes, I do care about Democrats winning back the WH and at least showing a sensible strategy to take the Senate. The whole notion that Bernie can beat Trump never made sense to me and I'm relieved to find that most Democrats agreed. There is no way Sanders could have beaten Trump.
The beauty of Obama is that as hard as the 'Right' tried to paint him as 'the messiah' of the left, Obama never fell into that trap. He worked hard to not be considered a cult leader, kept quiet mostly, didn't sell his landmark legislation, and just did the work of and for the country without crying everyday about how unfair he was being treated.

He was the example that all Democratic leaders should follow, just do the work and listen to the people who know what they are talking about that were put in place because they were highly qualified for the roles.

The only thing I would add, next time screw McConnell for saying he would attack Obama as being partisan if he outed the Russian election meddling, and allow Comey to slap cuffs on Trump and his criminal minions in October.
 

Unclebaldrick

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I voted for Biden because I believe him to be the best candidate for the Democratic party.

And judging by the progressives I have seen, that is an agenda I do not agree with at all and think it is economically shortsighted.


Yeah of the would be cult leaders, he is the better of the two. Luckily the Democratic party doesn't need that, it just needs competent people to be in the roles that govern our collaborative effort.


The beauty of Obama is that as hard as the 'Right' tried to paint him as 'the messiah' of the left, Obama never fell into that trap. He worked hard to not be considered a cult leader, kept quiet mostly, didn't sell his landmark legislation, and just did the work of and for the country without crying everyday about how unfair he was being treated.

He was the example that all Democratic leaders should follow, just do the work and listen to the people who know what they are talking about that were put in place because they were highly qualified for the roles.
Funny, I had not yet decided who I would vote for but it probably would have been Warren (1st) or Buttigieg (2nd). The behavior of the Bernie bros had long ago lost my vote. I vote next week - for Biden.
 
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