Pandemic 2020

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DIY-HP-LED

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I saw your DIY ventilator post. :dunce:

It's not just a matter of moving air in and out. You have to get the pressure and flow just right or you can kill the patient. With sophisticated sensors and online monitors AND a capable, trained ICU nurse, those marvels of engineering made predominately by Swiss and Swedish manufacturers have become life savers.

So, no. Ridiculous idea to just design and build one from scratch in even a couple of months.
I was tempted to use the detection kit on ya foggy:D
 

Fogdog

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Foggy they've had ventilators for a lot longer than they've had modern digital electronics, sensors and feedback loops for control. The DIY ventilator post was a joke, but the one under it about the currass ventilators was interesting and reproducible in simplified form on a large scale. This is an extreme emergency situation and things can happen very quickly with the right person in charge of the program with the proper authority

I think the chinese have already done the heavy lifting on this and have anticipated market need if nothing else, I'm sure inquires are being made. This is a base all governments should have already covered. Like I said, we have to try, even if it's too late, and we don't need the latest greatest either, just good enough to do the job.
Ventilators weren't very good before the new electronics came into use. The old ones just moved air in and out by squeezing a bag. It worked for people whose lungs hadn't failed but couldn't breathe for another reason, like coma, or damage to the spinal chord. The problem a Covid lung complication causes is fluid in the lungs. With the older equipment, the patient dies. The newer equipment allows fine adjustments of timing of inhalation and exhalation. Also, enables fine control of pressure to keep the fine airway passages open. Exhalation pressure also affects fluid uptake to help the patient recover.

On the other hand, get it wrong and the patient suffers a lung blow out. Or during scale up, manufacturing defects can kill a lot of people. Defects that creep in during manufacturing are common in most product development projects.

Finally, the limiting factor is also trained nurses who know how to use the unit. Put a completely stone-age tool into the system and people won't know how to operate it yet there they are, trying to save a person's life. The whole idea is fucking crazy and detached from reality.

Let's open up the Baloney Detection kit. Oh, here it is: #4: Spin more than one hypothesis. How about we list alternatives instead?

Why don't we put our energy into discussing alternatives?

How about funding to the hilt whatever it takes to make existing, registered designs? I suggest that if the manufacturer says they can do no more, it's kind of nuts to ask Lucas Electric (do they still exist) to become proficient at medical device manufacturing overnight. Put a few billion into finding a way to make 30,000 new respirators using the existing designs. It's not cost effective, I suppose but it could save lives without creating chaos into an already chaotic system.

How about digging through the inventory of obsolete equipment that already exists but needs updating and repair?

How about doing something else? You name it.
 

Jimdamick

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If you do, maybe we could get together & burn a couple of bowls & drink a few drinks.
I'll buy the liquid & bring the herb & you bring the pipe :)
Seriously, PM me :)
 

Jimdamick

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My brain is fucked up right now.
All I can think of is misery.
Fucking Irish melancholy.
Good song though when you feel like shit

 

DIY-HP-LED

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What the hell, why not drag it out and use it to poke holes in what I said. I'm open to it.
Ya already took care of excluding the middle. Older designs and refurbishing equipment are the most reasonable alternatives along with supporting manufacturers in every way possible. They can work with other companies to expand production as rapidly as possible, governments can smooth expanded supply chains. A good enough design would be good enough to deal with Coronavirus complications and would be a pre existing model that can be reproduced without supply chain bottlenecks.

I have a strong feeling that China might have been there done that with this issue and might even be ramping up production like they built hospitals (quarantine centers). They've had a good lead and a great need and of course like to make money!
 

doublejj

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My brain is fucked up right now.
All I can think of is misery.
Fucking Irish melancholy.
Good song though when you feel like shit

this song gives me flashbacks....."They heard the hum of the motors, they counted the rotors, and waited for us to arrive"....
 

DIY-HP-LED

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DIY-HP-LED

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If you do, maybe we could get together & burn a couple of bowls & drink a few drinks.
I'll buy the liquid & bring the herb & you bring the pipe :)
Seriously, PM me :)
The border is still open Jimmy, jump in the car and make a run for it!
Canada to bar entry to travellers who are not citizens, permanent residents or Americans
Exceptions will be in place for U.S. citizens, diplomats, crew and immediate family members of citizens
 

Jimdamick

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The border is still open Jimmy, jump in the car and make a run for it!
Canada to bar entry to travellers who are not citizens, permanent residents or Americans
Exceptions will be in place for U.S. citizens, diplomats, crew and immediate family members of citizens
I'll would say I'll meet you 1/2 way, say Bangor, Maine, but that's too far at the moment.
You come down to Boston & we have a deal.
No shit, I'll do it
 
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