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Freedom seed

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It's recommended by experts, who am I to argue. You don't need a chemical cartridge, just an N95 or better particulate filter to offer a reasonable level of protection. It's the recommended PPE minimum standard for viruses.
True, however the experts do not select my PPE for me. I get to do that. Any reasonable training course would include that tidbit.

Given that health care professionals are being encouraged to not wear masks in Ontario, I thought I would point that out. They do face unknown risks.
 

Fogdog

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Speaking of training, it could be pointed out that N95 is for nuisance particulates, not true hazards!
Coronavirus is a particle but also a hazard, is it not?


If it's a regular surgical face mask, the answer is no, Dr. William Schaffner, an infectious disease specialist at Vanderbilt University in Tennessee, told Live Science.

A more specialized mask, known as an N95 respirator, can protect against the new coronavirus, also called SARS-CoV-2. The respirator is thicker than a surgical mask, but neither Schaffner nor the Centers for Disease Prevention and Control (CDC) recommend it for public use, at least not at this point.


They are not recommending them for general use by the public because they are a bitch to both fit properly and to wear while doing much. It's something you wear when you absolutely must, such as when a healthcare worker is treating people infected with coronavirus. Or perhaps a welder who uses it to protect them from metal particles that are generated while welding.

Anybody who has them are asked to donate them to local hospitals. At least that's the message we are getting here in Oregon.
 

Fogdog

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True, however the experts do not select my PPE for me. I get to do that. Any reasonable training course would include that tidbit.

Given that health care professionals are being encouraged to not wear masks in Ontario, I thought I would point that out. They do face unknown risks.
So much disinformation being passed around by self proclaimed experts.

Cite the recommendation about not wearing masks for health care workers in Ontario.
 

Freedom seed

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So much disinformation being passed around by self proclaimed experts.

Cite the recommendation about not wearing masks for health care workers in Ontario.
“And worst of all, nurses were unable to access N95 respirators when they performed the procedures, as their employer strongly discourages nurses wearing them.”


It’s actually a statement from a news article. Perhaps fake, who knows these days. Just for the record I don’t cite things when asked, but do speak freely.
 

Fogdog

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“And worst of all, nurses were unable to access N95 respirators when they performed the procedures, as their employer strongly discourages nurses wearing them.”


It’s actually a statement from a news article. Perhaps fake, who knows these days. Just for the record I don’t cite things when asked, but do speak freely.
Taken together, your last four posts seemingly contradict each other.
 

Freedom seed

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Coronavirus is a particle but also a hazard, is it not?
Then why recommend a mask designed to provide 95% protection against nuisance particles?

P-100, by memory, is 99.9% down to 0.3 micron. Also if you wet any mask it is more effective for particulates.

You know the old recipe, eh? Pee on a sock.

I’m all for supporting healthcare but let’s be realistic every industrial property and distributor has these things on hand. It’s good to see donations being already made.
 

Fogdog

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Then why recommend a mask designed to provide 95% protection against nuisance particles?

P-100, by memory, is 99.9% down to 0.3 micron. Also if you wet any mask it is more effective for particulates.

You know the old recipe, eh? Pee on a sock.

I’m all for supporting healthcare but let’s be realistic every industrial property and distributor has these things on hand. It’s good to see donations being already made.
How about supporting the ONA and keeping your amateur opinion to yourself?
 

hanimmal

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He's using medical supplies to reward red states and punish blue states but he'll make a exception for a swing state he thinks could go his way in the election.
I dont question for a second he is forcing the state govenors to lock down their states, fucking up their economies (by forcing lockdowns, or else having massive exposure and risking massive fatalities) so that he can attack the Democrats in the fall in states like Michigan who have Democratic Governors.
 

Fogdog

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1. It might not be an amateur opinion.

2. It is included in the instruction manual.

3. I definitely support them.
From that article you linked to:

“Registered nurses were exposed while caring for a patient who presented at the emergency department and was screened for influenza, but not COVID-19,” said McKenna. “Nurses were exposed as they performed emergency medical procedures on the patient that made the virus borne by air; the patient was not isolated. And worst of all, nurses were unable to access N95 respirators when they performed the procedures, as their employer strongly discourages nurses wearing them.”

Support the ONA.
 

Poobzilla

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I was getting a laugh from some of the earlier responses but now it's getting silly and I'm getting angry. Especially as there are the same type of Muppets here in the UK and one or two were my friends. Had a right go at one of them today as he was still hanging about with his band mates and planning to have some people over to his house.
 

Fogdog

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I was getting a laugh from some of the earlier responses but now it's getting silly and I'm getting angry. Especially as there are the same type of Muppets here in the UK and one or two were my friends. Had a right go at one of them today as he was still hanging about with his band mates and planning to have some people over to his house.
The troll game is to get their target angry and to make them say something foolish. They then keep poking and prodding to either get their mark to leave or say something that gets them banned. One use I have for this site to collect their lines so that I'm able to respond coherently when I hear it said in real life.

Somebody really, really good at propaganda is putting out the shit you are seeing here.
 
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