Who’s ready for massive unemployment

Fogdog

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yeah but Biden basically lies during the debates with bernie and gets called on it so there is that. I'm not out here trying to say that Trump is a great guy I'm just saying I don't see any difference between his bullshit and Bidens bullshit. And Biden is actually losing his mind. Like ya'll can act like that's a sharp brain but I've seen what age can do and it's that. Dude aint right. His damn son banged out his dead sons wife bro. Come the fuck on. Trump at least kept his wealth in the family Biden forces companies to pay his son. BIden aint honest. and he's losing his mind. Cuz I'm sure BIdens plan for getting us out of the corona viruse crash prolly involves my family getting our money stolen by an entity that drone strikes other families on the daily while telling me they are going to take care of us and we should be an accepting and tolerant culture. but we still drone striking so fuck it. Who's going to let me keep more?
when did Biden lie? Your kind like to repeat Right wing propaganda lies that are sweeping in their nature and when pinned down, can't produce the goods. So, specifically, when did Biden lie? We have time to dissect this and come up with a good decision on when Biden actually lied.

Trump has lied more than 5000 times since his presidency began. Actually, I'm being nice. It's something like 10,000 times. Let's talk about Trump's honesty for a moment.

 

Fogdog

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Trump can have the economy crash and still landslide the election. That's why I'm not really arguing with people who just around 6 months ago realized Hillary didn't win the election.
Based on the 2018 elections, when those who voted for Democrats swamped your old and feeble minority of radical right wingers, your talking point seems weak. Explain. What evidence is there that Trump will win the upcoming election?
 

spek9

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Based on the 2018 elections, when those who voted for Democrats swamped your old and feeble minority of radical right wingers, your talking point seems weak. Explain. What evidence is there that Trump will win the upcoming election?
Maybe republican voters will side with Trump after he hands out free money to citizens? You know, they just finally think that "hey, he's doing the most socialistic thing in all of US history. We love that all of a sudden!".
 

Fogdog

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Maybe republican voters will side with Trump after he hands out free money to citizens? You know, they just finally think that "hey, he's doing the most socialistic thing in all of US history. We love that all of a sudden!".
Yeah, could be. He has a very loyal 42% of the electorate. Their problem is that 52% have always disapproved of Trump. Trump won in 2016 in part because a lot of moderate and liberal leaning voters stayed home. The 2018 election shows they will turn out.

This is an analysis of differences between 2016 and 2012 voter turnouts. The article was posted in 2017


The article descends into a long statistical discussion, including state-by state analysis of who voted and what happened but eventually comes out of the mire with some good conclusions at the end. Specifically:

President Trump can conceivably reconstruct his primarily white coalition from 2016 with very few changes and still eke out a narrow Electoral College victory in 2020. But this assumes that Democrats do little to either increase the turnout of voters of color or to make inroads with disaffected white Trump voters, particularly Obama-Trump voters.

Alternatively, both Trump and Republicans could expand their electoral advantages among white voters by focusing and delivering on their economic promises on infrastructure, jobs, and wages and doing more to help people with health care. They could also make inroads with some voters of color by turning away from Trump’s racial appeals and offering more support for civil rights and the economic needs of these communities. Given the trajectory of the current administration, this seems unlikely and could actually lead to a schism and third-party split among Republicans.


This, I think, is what the troll du-jour is harking upon.

It misses what happened in 2018, though when conservative white voters showed up in the same numbers as before but were swamped by a larger number of people who showed up to oppose Trump's Republican and radical right wing alliance.
 

hanimmal

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express elevator down, escalator up :(
Like the Demon Drop at Cedar Point.

Yeah, could be. He has a very loyal 42% of the electorate. Their problem is that 52% have always disapproved of Trump. Trump won in 2016 in part because a lot of moderate and liberal leaning voters stayed home. The 2018 election shows they will turn out.

This is an analysis of differences between 2016 and 2012 voter turnouts. The article was posted in 2017


The article descends into a long statistical discussion, including state-by state analysis of who voted and what happened but eventually comes out of the mire with some good conclusions at the end. Specifically:

President Trump can conceivably reconstruct his primarily white coalition from 2016 with very few changes and still eke out a narrow Electoral College victory in 2020. But this assumes that Democrats do little to either increase the turnout of voters of color or to make inroads with disaffected white Trump voters, particularly Obama-Trump voters.

Alternatively, both Trump and Republicans could expand their electoral advantages among white voters by focusing and delivering on their economic promises on infrastructure, jobs, and wages and doing more to help people with health care. They could also make inroads with some voters of color by turning away from Trump’s racial appeals and offering more support for civil rights and the economic needs of these communities. Given the trajectory of the current administration, this seems unlikely and could actually lead to a schism and third-party split among Republicans.


This, I think, is what the troll du-jour is harking upon.

It misses what happened in 2018, though when conservative white voters showed up in the same numbers as before but were swamped by a larger number of people who showed up to oppose Trump's Republican and radical right wing alliance.
That is a very interesting read, and really shows how effective the attack on the Black American community was in getting Trump elected.

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UncleBuck

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oh shit. That looks like the rosiest estimate

could be as bad as 30% unemployment with 50% gdp drop

keep america great
 

captainmorgan

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I've seen some economists say we may see higher unemployment than the great depression. Go look at videos of that time if you want to get depressed, my parents grew up during it.
 
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