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Funkentelechy

Funkentelechy

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PadawanWarrior said:
Maybe it was a dead bat, or a wet bat. Does that make it any better, lol? The fact is that the shit came from a bat in China. Check this shit out.
www.livescience.com

1st known case of coronavirus traced back to November in China

A 55-year-old individual from Hubei province in China may have been the first person to have contracted COVID-19, the disease caused by the new coronavirus spreading across the globe.
www.livescience.com www.livescience.com
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Nowhere in the article does it say Coronavirus was started from eating a live bat, dead bat, or a wet bat.

From the article you posted.
"Scientists now suspect this coronavirus, SARS-CoV-2, originated in a bat and somehow hopped to another animal, possibly the pangolin, which then passed it on to humans."

Also China was not responsible for the last 4 viruses as someone else stated. MERS started in Saudi Arabia, Swine Flu started in the United States and it is likely that the Spanish flu started in the United States.
 
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Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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Freedom seed said:
He did respond a lot faster than Trudeau did.
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To be fair, one can always call out whatever leader is in charge and, in retrospect, make a hypothetical claim x,y,z such as "you could have been doing this, that or else...". It's typical for any kind of opposition...

Question is: what are we doing in the long run? If we don't find a vaccine or can't find it if the virus mutates like the flu?

I'm already seeing alot of suggestions made on world-TV into the direction of anti-globalism, self-economy but that would esp. hurt industrialized western states (+China) as we're export superstars, plus alot of weaker countries rely actually on others to develop themselves.
And what about freedom of movement - alot of this got disseminated from people merely travelling around...

And you can't really preplan ahead speaking from a certainb medicinic point of view - because you just don't know beforeahead what a new virus that'll be emerging has what kind of human tissue for a target.... this one targets the lung + heart mostly.
 
Freedom seed

Freedom seed

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Kassiopeija said:
To be fair, one can always call out whatever leader is in charge and, in retrospect, make a hypothetical claim x,y,z such as "you could have been doing this, that or else...". It's typical for any kind of opposition...

Question is: what are we doing in the long run? If we don't find a vaccine or can't find it if the virus mutates like the flu?

I'm already seeing alot of suggestions made on world-TV into the direction of anti-globalism, self-economy but that would esp. hurt industrialized western states (+China) as we're export superstars, plus alot of weaker countries rely actually on others to develop themselves.
And what about freedom of movement - alot of this got disseminated from people merely travelling around...

And you can't really preplan ahead speaking from a certainb medicinic point of view - because you just don't know beforeahead what a new virus that'll be emerging has what kind of human tissue for a target.... this one targets the lung + heart mostly.
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From what I am reading they have already sequenced mutations, corona viruses are known to mutate, at least enough they can differentiate between them. That is also not my area of study, I’m learning what I can.

I’m not liking what I see at the moment. Too much finger pointing going on in the world right now. Trudeau did not close down incoming flights from China for us until it was too late, when he easily could have.

Are you in Germany? Going by memory there. Heard the finance minister caught a bullet train?
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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Freedom seed said:
From what I am reading they have already sequenced mutations, corona viruses are known to mutate, at least enough they can differentiate between them. That is also not my area of study, I’m learning what I can.
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Yes, well it's with all living things -regardless of the underlying replication mechanism- that you'll have, at least, 4-5 (point) mutations occuring, but these are usually irrelevant. The SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus which mutate very fast due to the general instability of RNA - but unlike other RNA viruses, corona viruses do have an internal "proof-reading" mechanism so that's why they don't mutate as quickly, or drastically, like, for example, influenca viruses.
Our immunsystem metabolises pathogenic material, break it down and then build specific antibodies against some of the main "building blocks" of said pathogens. And as long as the virus doesn't alter these antigens - you should stay immune of a reinfection.
But we're not there yet to be able to tell if this will then happen on a broader scale - and if so, we could build a vaccine and subsequently, get rid of this disease one and for all - or if it will from now on behave like the flu. If it does - it will be of a huge healthconcern for esp. the richer states because of the letality towards elderly persons.

Freedom seed said:
Are you in Germany? Going by memory there. Heard the finance minister caught a bullet train?
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Yes, I live in the Stuttgart metropolitican region. Everything is quite well here - we have a lot of money in reserve which our politicans really like to throw out now to everybody :D It's somewhat sad because our economy went better and better with just every year.... yeah the hessisch (just a small state) Finance Minister commited suicide yesterday but apoart from that - everything ok.

I was reading the news ticker on CNN where someone did ask "why there's so few deaths occuring in Ger from covid-19" and the answer is two-fold:
1. we test alot, so we get more positives of esp. asymptomatic persons. I think the statistic guys do have an error in thinking when they try to agree on a mortality-rate when it's based on the general infection number - it would be more reliable if it would be based on the number of hospitalized people.
2. we have a very high clinical standard which is there for everyone. It's even down by law to not have a social health security and thus, our clinics have to be prepared for all people that either live or work in Germany. So we don't currently lack ventilators much - but that could change in the near future...
 
Freedom seed

Freedom seed

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Kassiopeija said:
Yes, well it's with all living things -regardless of the underlying replication mechanism- that you'll have, at least, 4-5 (point) mutations occuring, but these are usually irrelevant. The SARS-CoV-2 is an RNA virus which mutate very fast due to the general instability of RNA - but unlike other RNA viruses, corona viruses do have an internal "proof-reading" mechanism so that's why they don't mutate as quickly, or drastically, like, for example, influenca viruses.
Our immunsystem metabolises pathogenic material, break it down and then build specific antibodies against some of the main "building blocks" of said pathogens. And as long as the virus doesn't alter these antigens - you should stay immune of a reinfection.
But we're not there yet to be able to tell if this will then happen on a broader scale - and if so, we could build a vaccine and subsequently, get rid of this disease one and for all - or if it will from now on behave like the flu. If it does - it will be of a huge healthconcern for esp. the richer states because of the letality towards elderly persons.


Yes, I live in the Stuttgart metropolitican region. Everything is quite well here - we have a lot of money in reserve which our politicans really like to throw out now to everybody :D It's somewhat sad because our economy went better and better with just every year.... yeah the hessisch (just a small state) Finance Minister commited suicide yesterday but apoart from that - everything ok.

I was reading the news ticker on CNN where someone did ask "why there's so few deaths occuring in Ger from covid-19" and the answer is two-fold:
1. we test alot, so we get more positives of esp. asymptomatic persons. I think the statistic guys do have an error in thinking when they try to agree on a mortality-rate when it's based on the general infection number - it would be more reliable if it would be based on the number of hospitalized people.
2. we have a very high clinical standard which is there for everyone. It's even down by law to not have a social health security and thus, our clinics have to be prepared for all people that either live or work in Germany. So we don't currently lack ventilators much - but that could change in the near future...
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Thank you. It does reassure me to know things are holding together well there. I’m in Ontario close to the border with Michigan and Detroit. This is a rural area, with big cities nearby. The community is in full scale help mode, and services are modified to ensure our distancing.

I’m going to get some groceries today, I would prefer not to but there are some heavy milk drinkers here and I don’t have a cow. The local grocery store is doing a $3 pickup thing. All I have to do is back up to the loading dock and pop my trunk. Of course anything from town will get the hazmat treatment.

Unfortunately a lot of people are still working through this.
 
Kassiopeija

Kassiopeija

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Freedom seed said:
Thank you. It does reassure me to know things are holding together well there. I’m in Ontario close to the border with Michigan and Detroit. This is a rural area, with big cities nearby. The community is in full scale help mode, and services are modified to ensure our distancing.

I’m going to get some groceries today, I would prefer not to but there are some heavy milk drinkers here and I don’t have a cow. The local grocery store is doing a $3 pickup thing. All I have to do is back up to the loading dock and pop my trunk. Of course anything from town will get the hazmat treatment.

Unfortunately a lot of people are still working through this.
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just yesterday I saw a TV recommendation on food in order to advise people on the danger of spreading the vurus through the foodchain.
they basically said it would be best to just cook everything - without any explanation of how then to get temperature sensitive vitamins into your system....
they also said you should buy vegetables, fruits etc just 1 times per month... when they said that it absolutely blew my brain... geee because most vegetables I buy after 3-4 days are not fresh anymore, a week at best for most stuff.... maybe UVC could here and also strict washing
 
Bosgrower

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Regardless of where or how it started, here's a calendar of Trump's lies and misstatements since it became clear to the rest of the world that we all were facing a serious crisis. While I despise the man, I don't blame him for the pandemic, just the thousands of unnecessary deaths that will occur because of his ignorance and arrogance.

 

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TheRealDman

TheRealDman

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Flash63 said:
And yet his approval rating is higher than its ever been..explain that one?
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It’s a typical response for Americans to rally around the POTUS in times of national crisis, regardless of party. However, if you look at the numbers of previous President #’s in times of national crisis...he’s way down. In other words, don’t read much into the current bounce. The #’s will decline the longer the virus is around, and the more he fuks it up.
 
Bosgrower

Bosgrower

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TheRealDman said:
It’s a typical response for Americans to rally around the POTUS in times of national crisis, regardless of party. However, if you look at the numbers of previous President #’s in times of national crisis...he’s way down. In other words, don’t read much into the current bounce. The #’s will decline the longer the virus is around, and the more he fuks it up.
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From your lips to the Deity's ear
 
Freedom seed

Freedom seed

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Kassiopeija said:
just yesterday I saw a TV recommendation on food in order to advise people on the danger of spreading the vurus through the foodchain.
they basically said it would be best to just cook everything - without any explanation of how then to get temperature sensitive vitamins into your system....
they also said you should buy vegetables, fruits etc just 1 times per month... when they said that it absolutely blew my brain... geee because most vegetables I buy after 3-4 days are not fresh anymore, a week at best for most stuff.... maybe UVC could here and also strict washing
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Perhaps some type of food rationing? Only buying fruit/veg once per month seems strange.

The food I grow and pick lasts a really long time if not washed (do wash before eating). The microbes keep pathogens from growing on it.
 
legalcanada

legalcanada

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Freedom seed said:
From what I am reading they have already sequenced mutations, corona viruses are known to mutate, at least enough they can differentiate between them. That is also not my area of study, I’m learning what I can.

I’m not liking what I see at the moment. Too much finger pointing going on in the world right now. Trudeau did not close down incoming flights from China for us until it was too late, when he easily could have.

Are you in Germany? Going by memory there. Heard the finance minister caught a bullet train?
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trudeau didn't shut down incoming flights but they increased screening and implemented other protective measures. trump spent weeks saying it will go away on its own and its nothing to worry about. he shut down flights from europe and china waayyyy too late. so whatever measures you think trump took "faster than trudeau" the fact remains americas rate of infection per capita is almost double canadas.
 
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