CikaBika
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lol my Tap water is 8.6 ph 400+ ppm.. But I'm from Balkan
@Kursty_Krab That girl looks awsome..Looks like 2-3 week of flower,?? I think she could surprise you very pleasant!
Tangerine Dream growing but slow ?
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@Kursty_Krab That girl looks awsome..Looks like 2-3 week of flower,?? I think she could surprise you very pleasant!
jerry-joe
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Chlorine, used to purify drinking water the world over is basic. I'm not sure the correlation of ph to where you live. It would seem that the poorer the quality of the untreated water or source water, the more basic or higher ph because of all the chlorine they use to purify it? Sounds logical but not based in any kind of science, or even a google search.
Zogs
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The source of wate determines the PH. Think about it, does your water come from a river or a lake? Does it have a lot of minerals in it ? These are all considerations. You local water treatment plant will set upper and lower limits of the PH. For instance, I believe my local water treatment plant in Canada sets it's limits between 6.5 and 8.0. Our source water is from the Sask River so it has a lot of minerals in it (280ppm). If you live in a state that has a lot of agriculture going on you may see water with higher salt content and minerals from the run off of crops into the water source.
Corso312
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Of course it's not the same dipshit..but I'm 41, I've lived in 3 states..6 cities and grown in them all..I've got friends nationwide that grow.. you don't need to pH shit in the US.. if it's good enough for the tap it's good enough for weed.. this isn't a 3rd world shithole. I've lived in places that you couldn't drink the well water but you could shower in it..great for soil.. hydroponics.. not a chance.
Corso312
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I live in Chicago..the plants love it..
Zogs
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And you still talk this way to people ? I personally wouldn't feed my plants 8.0 PH and Not all soil buffers PH the same. I'm sorry you're so angry that I called you out on giving bad information. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
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jerry-joe
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I'm pretty high up so no agriculture up here, skiing maybe. I just moved here so I'm not sure what our source is. Just looked it up. Its a lake. There is a bunch of water tests and the 5 contaminants found are all listed as ppb (billion not million).
jerry-joe
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Thats what I was saying, tap water in places that use treated water seems like it would be above 7 because of all the chlorine. A lake or river could be your source but if the town you live treats that river/lake water with a shit ton of chlorine it could take naturally occurring 6.7 water and turn it to 8 water.
Zogs
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I'm not really sure on that, when I use to leave my tap water to sit out to remove chlorine the PH did not fluctuate. An interesting side note, there was a post on RIU some time ago about dechlorinating your tap water. They lab tested soils that had chlorinated water and dechlorinated. The results came back that there was no significant difference in Microbial life in each soil.
jerry-joe
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I grew for ten years with tap water that was not ph'd. I know for a fact that letting water sit out to let the chlorine dissipate or running air stones/air pump for the same reason is not necessary. Don't tell that to some folks on here though.
Corso312
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Plants need chlorine, it helps with photosynthesis.
Corso312
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And you still talk this way to people ? I personally wouldn't feed my plants 8.0 PH and Not all soil buffers PH the same. I'm sorry you're so angry that I called you out on giving bad information. I didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
It's not bad information meathead, you don't need to PH with soil.. you're just confusing new growers.
Zogs
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Do you feel throwing out names somehow validates your claim more ? If you're feeling insecure because I'm challenging your opinion on a web forum maybe you're smoking the wrong stuff. I honestly cant think of another reason. I'll try to be more sensitive, it's ok you're sensitive Corso312.
Do you think maybe some context is in order when you make statements on an internet forum saying "you don't need to PH soil" ? Are you saying just any old soil will be fine ? Everyone's water is fine ? All soils are amended the same, all nutrients the same ? Context is important. Not all soils and nutrients are going to be buffer the same to allow you to get away without PH'ing your water, even in the U.S.
I get it, you have grown your weed just fine without PH'ing your water, but that doesn't mean you can switch to any old soil/nutrient and still get away with doing that.
jerry-joe
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I have two sets of experience. When I started growing in 1990 we didn't ph soil, or water. It just wasn't a thing. I was part of a network of growers of 20 dudes who were all 100% indoor and 100% clone. I'd say the soil/hydro ratio was 70/30 (soil). We used different nutes (some bottled two part/three part systems, some used bat guano and phish emulsion).
Today I'm still an indoor soil guy. The choices are much more plentiful when it comes to soil and nutes I can buy but my philosophy is the same. I didn't ph then why should I ph now? But I kept reading threads about how important ph was so I said f-it I'll buy a damn ph meter. Took the five ten minutes to calibrate it with the little packets they sent with the meter and I was off to the races. Ph of my tap is 7.0 and, according to Fox Farm my soil was ph'd for growers (without an actual number as to the number they ph their soil to "for growers"). So I ph'd my runoff instead of buying a soil ph meter. I know it doesn't tell me exactly what my soil ph is but it'll give me a ballpark. So I ph'd my water on my first watering (I didn't add nutes to my water until week 3-4 as was recommended as fox farm has enough nutes to carry a plant through 2-4 weeks of growth). So at 7.0 going in my ph meter was fluctuating between 4.8 and 5.2 for runoff which tells me that my soil was fairly acidic. But I don't ph water to get soil in range. Since then, I don't ph anything anymore. My tap is 7.0 but when add nutes it's around 6.0 (I tested it once).
But as to the point of this back-and-forth, I agree that you don't have to ph soil, I don't. But the reason I don't is because I did initial testing and I know what I'm working with. If you dont test soil/water ph initially, there could be problems. You want to test the ph of your plain water, water w/ nutes, and soil/soil runoff so you have numbers that you can adjust when necessary. Once that is done, you'r all set. The ph of your water and food will remain relatively constant. As far as hydro, I'm not gonna weigh in cause I don't grow hydro. Though everyone I know who does grow hydro says ph is important because their is no soil to act as a buffer to nute/ph/salt contents. I've heard over the years that if you mess something up in soil you can fix it. If you mess something up with hydro you kill it. Don't know if its that extreme but its part of the reason I never made the switch.
Today I'm still an indoor soil guy. The choices are much more plentiful when it comes to soil and nutes I can buy but my philosophy is the same. I didn't ph then why should I ph now? But I kept reading threads about how important ph was so I said f-it I'll buy a damn ph meter. Took the five ten minutes to calibrate it with the little packets they sent with the meter and I was off to the races. Ph of my tap is 7.0 and, according to Fox Farm my soil was ph'd for growers (without an actual number as to the number they ph their soil to "for growers"). So I ph'd my runoff instead of buying a soil ph meter. I know it doesn't tell me exactly what my soil ph is but it'll give me a ballpark. So I ph'd my water on my first watering (I didn't add nutes to my water until week 3-4 as was recommended as fox farm has enough nutes to carry a plant through 2-4 weeks of growth). So at 7.0 going in my ph meter was fluctuating between 4.8 and 5.2 for runoff which tells me that my soil was fairly acidic. But I don't ph water to get soil in range. Since then, I don't ph anything anymore. My tap is 7.0 but when add nutes it's around 6.0 (I tested it once).
But as to the point of this back-and-forth, I agree that you don't have to ph soil, I don't. But the reason I don't is because I did initial testing and I know what I'm working with. If you dont test soil/water ph initially, there could be problems. You want to test the ph of your plain water, water w/ nutes, and soil/soil runoff so you have numbers that you can adjust when necessary. Once that is done, you'r all set. The ph of your water and food will remain relatively constant. As far as hydro, I'm not gonna weigh in cause I don't grow hydro. Though everyone I know who does grow hydro says ph is important because their is no soil to act as a buffer to nute/ph/salt contents. I've heard over the years that if you mess something up in soil you can fix it. If you mess something up with hydro you kill it. Don't know if its that extreme but its part of the reason I never made the switch.