True hermaphrodites?

Mrs. Weedstein

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So I found female preflowers on several plants with clear pistils. This picture is kinda blurry but it’s the best I could do after multiple attempts. In real life, there is clearly a little white pistil:FB1242A5-0DE6-473B-8B63-971AC33B85E5.jpeg
However, further down the plant I see this weird nubbin and my blood ran cold:
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Is this a true hermaphrodite? If so, I’m fucked because several other plants with obvious pistils on their preflowers also have these nubbins.
 

DankWilliamsSr

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So I found female preflowers on several plants with clear pistils. This picture is kinda blurry but it’s the best I could do after multiple attempts. In real life, there is clearly a little white pistil:View attachment 4598395
However, further down the plant I see this weird nubbin and my blood ran cold:
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Is this a true hermaphrodite? If so, I’m fucked because several other plants with obvious pistils on their preflowers also have these nubbins.
Eh, I'd let it go longer and see what that nub turns into. Heyyoo!
 

budolskie

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May i ask where the seeds are from?


Its hard to say what to do, you could either pull the balls off as you go but that could Be a nightmare if you dont know anything about the seeds your growing.

Or you could start again with stable genetics.

Hard to decide what to do unless know more about the seeds?
 

Mrs. Weedstein

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May i ask where the seeds are from?


Its hard to say what to do, you could either pull the balls off as you go but that could Be a nightmare if you dont know anything about the seeds your growing.

Or you could start again with stable genetics.

Hard to decide what to do unless know more about the seeds?
They’re from two different strains that I crossed last year. Neither the mother nor the father showed any sign of hermaphroditism.
 

budolskie

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They’re from two different strains that I crossed last year. Neither the mother nor the father showed any sign of hermaphroditism.
Sometimes this happens with crossing plants
I hear of it a few times, also i read if your plant is showing male flowers aswell that taking a clone from it the hermy can go away..

Did you use 2 females to make seeds or a male and female
 

Mrs. Weedstein

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Sometimes this happens with crossing plants
I hear of it a few times, also i read if your plant is showing male flowers aswell that taking a clone from it the hermy can go away..

Did you use 2 females to make seeds or a male and female
A male and a female. Why does this happen when making crosses?
 

2Hearts

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Why would i repeat myself to noobs like you.

Im not the one posting constant herm threads suffering confusion.

Your nubbins didnt grow into preflowers like i said and the real preflowers showed up with patience showing female - i did explain but shits like you just want to dick this site with constant broscience.

You were wrong then your refusal to admit it has led you to have to post this thread. What stupidity anger and broscience lol.


LOL, I was actually hoping @2Hearts would tell me not to worry about the weird nubbin!
 

xtsho

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Sometimes this happens with crossing plants
I hear of it a few times, also i read if your plant is showing male flowers aswell that taking a clone from it the hermy can go away..

Did you use 2 females to make seeds or a male and female

A male and a female. Why does this happen when making crosses?
I've made dozens of crosses and never had any of the offspring hermie. There is some stuff floating around on the web that says making feminized seeds will produce hermies but I've been making feminized seeds for years and have yet to have any become hermaphrodites. It's just more stoner science not actual science backed up by any study or data.
 

Mrs. Weedstein

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Why would i repeat myself to noobs like you.

Im not the one posting constant herm threads suffering confusion.

Your nubbins didnt grow into preflowers like i said and the real preflowers showed up with patience showing female - i did explain but shits like you just want to dick this site with constant broscience.

You were wrong then your refusal to admit it has led you to have to post this thread. What stupidity anger and broscience lol.
I don’t think I’m the one who’s angry, LOL. Just to be clear, this is another batch of seeds that I sprouted, in which I was happy to find preflowers with pistils. Upon closer inspection, I also also noticed these weird nubbins that you’d previously dismissed as not being male flowers. I assume from your heartfelt and patient explanation above that these nubbins aren’t worth worrying about as long as I see actual female preflowers?
 

Mrs. Weedstein

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I've made dozens of crosses and never had any of the offspring hermie. There is some stuff floating around on the web that says making feminized seeds will produce hermies but I've been making feminized seeds for years and have yet to have any become hermaphrodites. It's just more stoner science not actual science backed up by any study or data.
It seemed strange to me that merely crossing a male and a female of different cultivars would produce hermies, but I figured may I don’t know the magic words or something.
 

Mrs. Weedstein

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Hey 2 hearts! Look it Hermed out like ur plants. Lol jk. Look at all those pollens sacs
I sort of envision @2Hearts as a sophisticated English gentleman growing weed on his country estate. Occasionally he reads something so outlandish on this forum that his spits out his tea and drops his monocle, then has to chastise us rubes for our own good.
 

budolskie

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I've made dozens of crosses and never had any of the offspring hermie. There is some stuff floating around on the web that says making feminized seeds will produce hermies but I've been making feminized seeds for years and have yet to have any become hermaphrodites. It's just more stoner science not actual science backed up by any study or data.
Thats what i was going to get at, thats why i asked was it a male and female he used never crossed 2 females
 

Paulyd!satx

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I see it now, he’s like, “my goodness, these gents have a male, that could very well become a female. I shall bestow my expertise upon this forum at once!”
 

Mrs. Weedstein

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Why would i repeat myself to noobs like you.

Im not the one posting constant herm threads suffering confusion.

Your nubbins didnt grow into preflowers like i said and the real preflowers showed up with patience showing female - i did explain but shits like you just want to dick this site with constant broscience.

You were wrong then your refusal to admit it has led you to have to post this thread. What stupidity anger and broscience lol.
LOL, I am a glutton for punishment. Being called a “shit” who wants to “dick this site” with “broscience” must somehow appeal to my inner masochist, since I’m genuinely interested in what you and others make of this.

As an update, I decided to just go with the flow and see what happened with these weird pre-flowers. And what happened was weird.

The female with the single male-looking pre-flower at the start of this thread got flipped to 12/12 in a tent over a month ago. While the male preflower turned out to be a full-on male — pollen sacs began emerging — there were no other male flowers anywhere on the plant.

Weird right? I’d expect a true hermie to have male flowers elsewhere.

In any case, the plant has now completed 6 weeks of flowering and I figure it can go another 5-6 weeks. (Please let me know what you think on this point as well, pics attached.)

I removed the male flower that formed from that odd pre-flower and haven’t had a problem since. I’ve been monitoring closely and there have been no male flowers and the female flowers have zero nanners or anything.

So has anyone else heard of a crazy one-off male pre-flower on an otherwise female plant before?

To further complicate matters, I mentioned in my original posts that other female plants also had occasional suspicious looking preflowers. None of those turned out to be a problem. See, I am willing to concede a point @2Hearts!

Either they just disappeared (perhaps aborted) or they’ve just apparently grown into an oddly-located random leaf in a couple cases.

I am willing to concede that @2Hearts has a point about oddball or indeterminate pre-flowers. Based on what I’ve described here, it certainly appears that a weird pre-flower isn’t necessarily dispositive of whether the entire plant is male or female.

However, in my defense, another plant that I judged to be a male based on the pre-flower (which drew mockery from @2Hearts) is now producing male pollen sacks that are about to open. All the plants I judged to be female based on pre-flowers have also turned out to be female. I’m not talking shit, but just pointing out the basic logistical fact that I had to take an educated guess since I don’t have the capacity to grow out an acre of 8-foot plants until I’m 100 percent sure of sex.

Anyhow, I will wrap up this ramble fest by positing a theory — perhaps a dumb one — that the indeterminate male-looking pre-flower in my original post may have turned out to be harmless had I not switched to 12/12 so early.

Perhaps he would have dropped off or grown into a leaf, as apparently happened on other plants. Is it possible that cannabis sends out the occasional oddball pre-flower as a hedge of some sort? Like, if it’s a seed that would germinate late in the year with no nearby males, that little pre-flower might have gotten the job done?

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