Yet another question about bagseed and S1 and F1 seeds

[ApexseasOG]

Hey everyone, hope everyone is staying healthy. So say you have some really strong bud that smells amazing, super frosty, has great structure and is compact but has a few seeds in it. Say out of an oz you find around 25-30 seeds. I realize that without knowing it's parents it would be tough to make a proper assessment of the situation so let's say that this was grown indoors and it's a hybrid of some sorts. So taking all this into account; a few questions.

1. Is there any way to tell if these seeds were produced from stress or pollinated from a male plant?
2. If these were stress induced or "selfed" would these seeds be female?
3. Are these selfed seeds considered "S1"?
4. If the conditions that caused its mother to stress are corrected in the S1 during its growth; would these be stable enough to cross with another strain?
5. Is it true that S1 seeds can, in some cases, turn out "better" than their mother if the conditions that caused the mother to herm are corrected?

Any info and experiences will be appreciated.

 

[Rakin]

Ive found say 3-4 seeds out of ounces of dank. I saved the good looking ones and labeled them from when and what I got them from. Ive had a couple that grew out really nice and was worthy enough of keeping as mothers. One was out some bag seed from some blue diesel or blue dragon, I can't remember. it was an awesome SOG plant and cloned and grew really nice. It also tasted and smelled amazing and was a really good buzz. But it would throw out a few nanners in like week 7 and 8. No big deal since it was ready by week 9-10

 

[ApexseasOG]

Ive found say 3-4 seeds out of ounces of dank. I saved the good looking ones and labeled them from when and what I got them from. Ive had a couple that grew out really nice and was worthy enough of keeping as mothers. One was out some bag seed from some blue diesel or blue dragon, I can't remember. it was an awesome SOG plant and cloned and grew really nice. It also tasted and smelled amazing and was a really good buzz. But it would throw out a few nanners in like week 7 and 8. No big deal since it was ready by week 9-10

Great reply, thank for the info. Would you happen to remember if the potency of the SOG plant was less/same/more than the first one you smoked?

 

[2Hearts]

1. No
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes (4 & 5 are similar/same questions)

Naturally this is how marijuana works.

 

[ApexseasOG]

1. No
2. Yes
3. Yes
4. Yes
5. Yes (4 & 5 are similar/same questions)

Naturally this is how marijuana works.

Yes and no about the stability and over all performance of the seeds in question. If its stable it doesn't necessarily mean it would perform "better" than it's mother. I was asking because I've read in a few posts that these S1 seeds turn out "better" than their mother and it would interesting to see something that already is performing great performing even better. Although you are correct in the sense that if it is better, then by proxy it is stable so they are the same/similar questions in that regard. In any case thank you so much for the info, I really appreciate it.

 

[Rakin]

Great reply, thank for the info. Would you happen to remember if the potency of the SOG plant was less/same/enougmore than the first one you smoked?

Shit when you smoke weed all the time and are saturated its can really get hard to tell so much as potency compared to something that is just different. I will say everyone that was fortunate enough to be gifted it was fucking amazed by it and said "it was fire" or "the best they had" but that was pretty much everything I kept a mother of for all the peeps o ever knew.

 

[TychoMonolyth]

Something interesting about bag seed from commercial weed is that it probably came from a banana. That means it's going to be a female seed, and that S1 seed can give you a surprising pheno. When you self a females, the resulting S1 plants will produce interesting phenos found in the parental lineage.

 

[2Hearts]

Lets clarify that genetically cannabis is one of the most stable going.

Unstable is the difference in plant phenotype, cross a pure sat with indica and you get a wide range of plants from the seed crosses. Selfing generally copies the mother but you can try crossing two fems for more diversity.

Dont go off stoner threads too much, the plant breeds with ease, we buy seeds for stable strains or certain breeds, making your own will only make great plants just you have less control over flavour and stuff.

Yes and no about the stability and over all performance of the seeds in question. If its stable it doesn't necessarily mean it would perform "better" than it's mother. I was asking because I've read in a few posts that these S1 seeds turn out "better" than their mother and it would interesting to see something that already is performing great performing even better. Although you are correct in the sense that if it is better, then by proxy it is stable so they are the same/similar questions in that regard. In any case thank you so much for the info, I really appreciate it.

 

[ApexseasOG]

Shit when you smoke weed all the time and are saturated its can really get hard to tell so much as potency compared to something that is just different. I will say everyone that was fortunate enough to be gifted it was fucking amazed by it and said "it was fire" or "the best they had" but that was pretty much everything I kept a mother of for all the peeps o ever knew.

In hear you on that potency bit. I got like 2 or 3 strains I’ve smoked in my life that I can remember of how strong they were; let’s say it’s tough to leave that impression on me. Say this supposed bagseed in question is one of these, it would great to see what becomes of her selfed offspring.

Something interesting about bag seed from commercial weed is that it probably came from a banana. That means it's going to be a female seed, and that S1 seed can give you a surprising pheno. When you self a females, the resulting S1 plants will produce interesting phenos found in the parental lineage.

Great information! I’ve read the stories about Chemdawg and it’s really interesting that really good strains can come of these often forgotten and apparently under appreciated seeds.

Lets clarify that genetically cannabis is one of the most stable going.

Unstable is the difference in plant phenotype, cross a pure sat with indica and you get a wide range of plants from the seed crosses. Selfing generally copies the mother but you can try crossing two fems for more diversity.

Dont go off stoner threads too much, the plant breeds with ease, we buy seeds for stable strains or certain breeds, making your own will only make great plants just you have less control over flavour and stuff.

If I could rep you myself I would; great post. You bring up another question that comes to mind; is the selfed seed a genetically identical copy of it mother? Or even with two of the same genetic code crossing with each other, you can produce different phenotypes?

 

[PadawanWarrior]

In hear you on that potency bit. I got like 2 or 3 strains I’ve smoked in my life that I can remember of how strong they were; let’s say it’s tough to leave that impression on me. Say this supposed bagseed in question is one of these, it would great to see what becomes of her selfed offspring.



Great information! I’ve read the stories about Chemdawg and it’s really interesting that really good strains can come of these often forgotten and apparently under appreciated seeds.


If I could rep you myself I would; great post. You bring up another question that comes to mind; is the selfed seed a genetically identical copy of it mother? Or even with two of the same genetic code crossing with each other, you can produce different phenotypes?

I've got clone only Chem 91 going now. That's one of the beans Chemdawg popped from a bag he got.

 

[ApexseasOG]

I've got clone only Chem 91 going now. That's one of the beans Chemdawg popped from a bag he got.

That’s epic! It’s so awesome to me that a strain like that can survive such a long time. I hope further down the line we don’t loose all these great genetics.

 

[PadawanWarrior]

That’s epic! It’s so awesome to me that a strain like that can survive such a long time. I hope further down the line we don’t loose all these great genetics.

I have clone only Green Crack too. I'm on round 6 of the GC, and its at 4 1/2 weeks now. And babies in veg. It's the least fun to trim, but it's my favorite plant so far. Super easy to grow, it doesn't stretch much, matures quick, and smells awesome if you grow it right. I might cry if I ever lose her, lol.

Here's a pic I took of her a couple weeks ago, on June 10th. This is about 2 1/2 weeks from flip.

 

[2Hearts]

Genetically identical is probably hard for cannabis to do, show the same traits is what a selfed seed will do. You might get the odd pheno yes but probably a lot less phenos if you self than breed two reg parents.

Theres not much written seriously on the subject, this just from growing and trying it and canna sites.

If I could rep you myself I would; great post. You bring up another question that comes to mind; is the selfed seed a genetically identical copy of it mother? Or even with two of the same genetic code crossing with each other, you can produce different phenotypes?

 

[ApexseasOG]

I have clone only Green Crack too. I'm on round 6 of the GC, and its at 4 1/2 weeks now. And babies in veg. It's the least fun to trim, but it's my favorite plant so far. Super easy to grow, it doesn't stretch much, matures quick, and smells awesome if you grow it right. I might cry if I ever lose her, lol.

Here's a pic I took of her a couple weeks ago, on June 10th. This is about 2 1/2 weeks from flip.
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She's a beaut! Super bushy too, I see why it would be a pain to trim her lol. That's the type of strain I like though; bushy means more bud sites and better with scrog set up which what I do most of the time. I should give that one a try some day. Thanks for the input!

 

[ApexseasOG]

Genetically identical is probably hard for cannabis to do, show the same traits is what a selfed seed will do. You might get the odd pheno yes but probably a lot less phenos if you self than breed two reg parents.

Theres not much written seriously on the subject, this just from growing and trying it and canna sites.

It would so interesting to see a genetic sequence of selfed seeds from the same mother and compare the code. I don't much about genetics but from what I understand it should be identical if there's no other genome sequence present. I would see it as when identical twins are born; they may be genetically the same but with different personalities? Does anyone have any literature about this specifically for cannabis?

 

[2Hearts]

Ha there are no studies i have found, you will find stuff under hemp but it is slightly different in ways. Cannabis is a drug, few have studied of any value to our hobby.

It would so interesting to see a genetic sequence of selfed seeds from the same mother and compare the code. I don't much about genetics but from what I understand it should be identical if there's no other genome sequence present. I would see it as when identical twins are born; they may be genetically the same but with different personalities? Does anyone have any literature about this specifically for cannabis?

 

[ApexseasOG]

Ha there are no studies i have found, you will find stuff under hemp but it is slightly different in ways. Cannabis is a drug, few have studied of any value to our hobby.

That's crazy; I keep forgetting we're still in the dark ages when it comes to cannabis research. There should be a plethora of research being done on this plant.

 

[2Hearts]

Theres very little economic importance to its study and medically not very exciting.

Most research is broscience, chart the history of led claims and fails to see that at its best.

And once you know too much you dont need 90% of canna products crap and lights tgat they would rather you didnt know because that looses them profit.

Even you can make your own killer strains without the need to buy someone elses. Seriously look at all the people who call selfed seeds unstable hermie rubbish when its not true.

It is what it is.

That's crazy; I keep forgetting we're still in the dark ages when it comes to cannabis research. There should be a plethora of research being done on this plant.

 

[ApexseasOG]

Theres very little economic importance to its study and medically not very exciting.

Most research is broscience, chart the history of led claims and fails to see that at its best.

And once you know too much you dont need 90% of canna products crap and lights tgat they would rather you didnt know because that looses them profit.

Even you can make your own killer strains without the need to buy someone elses. Seriously look at all the people who call selfed seeds unstable hermie rubbish when its not true.

It is what it is.

I agree but only because the pharmaceutical industry has this country's balls in it's grip; it's more profitable for them that cannabis remains illegal and they control a big, if not the biggest, lobby in congress. It should be exciting to people though, seeing all the stories about people with cancer and epilepsy just to name a couple. Stories like Charoltte Figg and such that we actually saw a real life example of when cannabis can help someone when nothing else did (may she rip). But you are dead on about the industry as well and it's disappointing that even within the cannabis industry we're starting to see the all mighty dollar corrupt once again; it's being commercialized in the wrong way. Like you say; were being sold all this stuff when we don't really need it; that's a mirror to the pharma industry, they sell you medicine you don't need so that you have to get another medicine to cure whatever the first one gave you and it all goes round and round.