Pandemic 2020

Status
Not open for further replies.

hanimmal

Well-Known Member
They are involved in fucking with our elections too, how do you think Canada and your NATO allies can deal with facebook? That is aside from them directly attacking our and other NATO allies election processes and exploiting social divisions. When America gets back on side we will be there with you, this is OUR fight, ditto for dealing with China, we can do it better united.

Only a fool would think that your NATO allies are not gonna go all out in running interference with any Russian online efforts against America, we would be crazy not to step into the breach to the extent we can. We are not helpless in such matters and the British are legendary, Dutch intelligence recorded the webcams in the IRA as they were attacking America in real time and never forget the Germans are not lazy in this matter either. It's gonna be a fucking war online, I seriously believe we are gonna go all out against the Russians this summer and fall.
Like you said, they are also getting cock blocked in a lot of ways too by the right wing trolls the Russians got through their elections.

It is like everyone is just hunkered down waiting for Trump to no longer be POTUS or to decide whats next if he wins.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
I think a good nickname for Trump might be, Groundhog day Donald, he keeps repeating mistakes over and over, cannot learn from the most obvious of things and cannot foresee or discounts future consequences to a pathological degree. He doesn't seem to discount the legal consequences and fights hard to avoid them, looks like he might be looking ahead to the SDNY and the cases pending against him there though. Something imminent got his attention over this and Barr got him off his ass to try and nip it in the bud, but Barr fucked up badly. This is not the end of fucking with the SDNY, Donald and others now are desperate.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
U.S. Breaks Record For New Cases For Third Straight Day | Morning Joe | MSNBC
 

CunningCanuk

Well-Known Member
The great thing about having this thing knocked down is it frees up a lot of testing capacity for sentinel monitoring of certain types of high risk activities and businesses, also there is a small army of contract tracers sitting idle waiting to jump on any cases that popup. There is also much less demand on PPE and gives us a chance to build up reserves of everything we will need.
Apparently doctors in Texas and Florida are becoming overwhelmed. They are facing similar decisions (who gets treatment and who doesn’t) to those faced by Italian doctors in March.

Just think of all of the needless death. It’s fucking stupidity.
 

CunningCanuk

Well-Known Member
It is like everyone is just hunkered down waiting for Trump to no longer be POTUS or to decide whats next if he wins.
the results of the election may not matter.

This is more believable to me than Trump resigning. I hope I’m wrong.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Apparently doctors in Texas and Florida are becoming overwhelmed. They are facing similar decisions (who gets treatment and who doesn’t) to those faced by Italian doctors in March.

Just think of all of the needless death. It’s fucking stupidity.
I do, and it drives me and every other sane person mad with rage, everybody here (who's normal) goes through phases of anger and disgust on a regular bases. The comparison with other western democracies is telling, I doubt it would have made it into America with Obama incharge, if it did it would have been meet with testing contact tracing and case isolation, they might not even have had a thousand deaths. The most fair assessment though is to take Canada's death count and multiply it by 8.6, anything in excess of that Trump owns.
 
Last edited:

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Apparently doctors in Texas and Florida are becoming overwhelmed. They are facing similar decisions (who gets treatment and who doesn’t) to those faced by Italian doctors in March.

Just think of all of the needless death. It’s fucking stupidity.
Compare the cases, not the deaths, they are pending and supportive treatment options will lower the mortality rate by say 25% from the NYC levels.


8,642 / 2,783 USA/ Canada per mil of pop

The USA has over 50,000 new reported cases a day and headed for 100,000 a day. Canada has 253 reported new cases so far today (about 2,200 in US terms), the USA has a pop 8.6 times larger than Canada. The true damage that Trump has done is yet to unfold, that's just starting now in the red states.
 
Last edited:

Fogdog

Well-Known Member
Like you said, they are also getting cock blocked in a lot of ways too by the right wing trolls the Russians got through their elections.

It is like everyone is just hunkered down waiting for Trump to no longer be POTUS or to decide whats next if he wins.
It's as if Trump's presidency has already entered the Dog Days of summer. We don't expect anything good to happen and are just hanging in there, waiting for it to end.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member

The coronavirus may have mutated to become more infectious, Dr. Anthony Fauci says

KEY POINTS
  • The coronavirus has mutated in a way that might help the pathogen spread more easily, White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said Thursday.
  • Research is underway to confirm the possible mutation and its implications, Fauci said, adding that “there’s a little dispute about it.”
  • Viruses naturally mutate and scientists have previously said they have observed minor mutations in the coronavirus that have not impacted its ability to spread or cause disease in any significant way
The coronavirus has mutated in a way that might help the pathogen spread more easily, White House health advisor Dr. Anthony Fauci said Thursday.

Research is underway to confirm the possible mutation and its implications, Fauci said, adding that “there’s a little dispute about it.” Viruses naturally mutate and scientists have previously said they have observed minor mutations in the coronavirus that have not impacted its ability to spread or cause disease in any significant way.

The possible mutation that Fauci cited was reported on by investigators at Los Alamos National Laboratory in an article published by the journal Cell earlier Thursday. Virologists at Scripps Research in Florida also wrote about the mutation last month, saying it “enhances viral transmission.” It’s unclear when the mutation might have occurred.
more...
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
There is still no clinical trial that proves that convalescent plasma works, this study is just a step up from anecdotal evidence, but it indicates some benefit. Things are getting desperate in Texas and they are looking to increase this option greatly, this is a largely harmless therapy however, so there's not much to lose and a life to gain. Evidence on this should be forthcoming, there should have been enough studies by now, patent outcomes can be determined with in a month of treatment in many cases. Proof or not, I think they are gonna move forward with this.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Texas study shows COVID-19 convalescent plasma therapy is safe and helps most patients get better
Looking at 25 very sick patients, the study showed 76% improved after receiving convalescent plasma from those who’d already recovered from the virus.

AUSTIN, Texas — As doctors and researchers nationwide search for a treatment for COVID-19, there’s now research that shows the use of convalescent plasma on patients is safe and it helps most patients improve.

University of Texas researchers in Austin partnered up with Houston Methodist Hospital for the study. Looking at 25 very sick patients, it showed 76% improved after receiving convalescent plasma from those who’d already recovered from COVID-19. Eleven of them were also discharged from the hospital and, according to UT Researcher Jason Lavinder, 24 out of 25 patients survived.

This is the first peer-reviewed study of its kind in the country. Lavinder said the team at UT received more than 150 plasma donations, which really helped in the process.
“If we have enough donors in place, we're going to have better options, put it that way,” said Lavinder. “As you know, we can triage and screen more donors. And if we can find donors that have really high levels of antibodies in their blood, that's going to assist us, that's going to help us with treatment options.”
RELATED:
WHO scientist hopes for coronavirus vaccine by end of next year

Why wearing a mask is important to slow the spread of COVID-19, according to experts


As part of the study, UT researchers created a test that measures the level of immunity or antibodies in a recovered patient's plasma. This then allowed them to make sure the strongest samples were given to the very sick patients who had COVID-19 at Houston Methodist.
“We would measure the antibody levels within the samples, report back to them the levels, and then they would use that data to essentially triage the samples, decide which ones had the most antibodies, the most immunity in it, and use those samples as donor samples for people who are severely ill,” said Lavinder.

The study also showed there are no adverse side effects from the plasma transfusion.
UT made the announcement about the study this month. According to the university, researchers started studying the patients in late March. Right now, the FDA is still looking into convalescent plasma as a treatment for COVID-19, though it is not yet approved.
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Stories like this will drive the demand for its use among politicians and the public at least.


Hospital uses convalescent plasma therapy for first time with COVID patient

Mercy Hospital Joplin has treated its first COVID-19 patient with convalescent plasma therapy, but the patient still will be on the road to recovery from home, doctors say.

Martina Belland, who lives in McDonald County, was recently discharged from Mercy Joplin after receiving the new therapy, said Eden Esguerra, an infectious disease specialist. Plasma therapy is being studied by researchers to determine whether it is an effective treatment for COVID-19.

"If it works, can you imagine how beneficial this will be?" Esguerra said. "The patient that we gave it to did very well. I'm not going to say that it's the convalescent plasma that was solely responsible for her getting better — we can't say that; we have to study all the patients who receive plasma."


The patient, who was described by Esguerra as middle-aged with several medical problems, was diagnosed with COVID-19 nine days before she was hospitalized at Mercy. She actually had been previously treated for it but continued to have a fever and weakness, Esguerra said.

"Her chest X-ray did not look good," the doctor said. "She was requiring oxygen, and she needed to be put on a ventilator. She was in the ICU, of course. She was treated with antibiotics and was not doing well."

After a few more days, Esguerra suggested convalescent plasma therapy, for which the patient met the criteria.

The therapy is an experimental treatment that some doctors are using for people with severe COVID-19. According to Mayo Clinic, it works like this: People who have recovered from COVID-19 have antibodies — proteins the body uses to fight off infections — to the disease in their blood. The blood from people who have recovered is called convalescent plasma; plasma is the liquid portion of the blood.

Researchers hope that convalescent plasma can be given to people with severe COVID-19 to boost their ability to fight the virus. It also might help keep people who are moderately ill from becoming more ill and experiencing COVID-19 complications, the health care system said.

Thousands of coronavirus patients in hospitals around the world have been treated with convalescent plasma — including more than 20,000 in the U.S. — with little solid evidence so far that it makes a difference. One recent study from China was unclear, while another from New York offered a hint of benefit.


The new coronavirus has infected nearly 9 million people worldwide and killed more than 460,000, according to official tallies believed to be underestimates. With no good treatments yet, researchers are frantically studying everything from drugs that tackle other viruses to survivor plasma — a century-old remedy used to fight infection before modern medicines came along.
more..
 

DIY-HP-LED

Well-Known Member
Here is a fascinating and informative article on Convalescent Plasma Therapy. I seems old farts might be more valuable than young bucks in the fight against covid, here is an interesting tidbit from the article. The sicker you get, to a point, the more antibodies you produce, with younger people the innate immune system might deal with it too effectively to generate much adaptive immunity, possibly a short immunity for the asymptomatic.

"The researchers conclude that there were higher neutralizing antibody titers among older, hospitalized patients with a history of fever but no myalgia. At the same time, anti-RBD was higher in patients with a history of fatigue."
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

The study includes 103 donors, all of whom had CP collected 28 days or more after their symptoms resolved. The average duration of symptoms was 12 days, and less than 10% had other illnesses or had previously been hospitalized with the illness.

The antibody titers among donors on the day of CP collection has a wide range, from 0 to almost 1:4,000 for anti-RBD antibodies, and 0 to about 1:3,200 for anti-spike antibodies. Adjusting for multiple factors like age, sex, ABO blood type, and symptoms like cough, fatigue, and myalgia, they found that the following factors were predictive of a higher anti-RBD titer: age, fever, history of hospitalization, absence of myalgia, and fatigue.

Anti-spike antibody levels were predicted by the same factors, except fatigue. O blood type was linked to lower anti-RBD levels but not anti-spike.

Effect of CP in COVID-19
The second part of the study looked at 10 patients with severe or critical COVID-19, with an average age of 62 years. The average symptom duration was 12 days, and most of them were on supplemental oxygen. Among the 10 patients, 8 patients were discharged and 1 critically ill patient who had been on extracorporeal membrane oxygenation (ECMO) died, while one remained on ECMO.

Three recipients had no anti-RBD antibodies on the day of transfusion, day 0, and three had anti-spike titers. However, the antibody titer was very high in both ECMO patients on day 0, and this fell after CP transfusion. The other eight recipients had a rise in antibody titer after receiving CP, mostly within 3 days, but one showed a rise only on day 7 and day 14 for anti-spike and anti-RBD, respectively.
more..
 

Budzbuddha

Well-Known Member
'We need to live with it': White House readies new message for the nation on coronavirus ... wow :finger:

The effort to craft a clearer response comes after months of Trump downplaying the health crisis and mixed signals from the administration.

WASHINGTON — After several months of mixed messages on the coronavirus pandemic, the White House is settling on a new one: Learn to live with it.


Administration officials are planning to intensify what they hope is a sharper, and less conflicting, message of the pandemic next week, according to senior administration officials, after struggling to offer clear directives amid a crippling surge in cases across the country. On Thursday, the United States reported more than 55,000 new cases of coronavirus and infection rates were hitting new records in multiple states.


At the crux of the message, officials said, is a recognition by the White House that the virus is not going away any time soon — and will be around through the November election.


As a result, President Donald Trump's top advisers plan to argue, the country must figure out how to press forward despite it. Therapeutic drugs will be showcased as a key component for doing that and the White House will increasingly emphasize the relatively low risk most Americans have of dying from the virus, officials said.
 

RunningAmok

Active Member
Fauci is lying little gremlin. He keeps on contradicting himself. First he says the mask don't help and actually could do the opposite. The holes are way too big to stop a microscopic virus. Than he says everyone should wear a mask. Get over it people its hyped up cold virus! Old people die from the common flu every year! Fuck the hoax! And also fuck Billy goat! I think alot of you know deep down its bs. Your only reason to keeping covid 19 hoax going is so you can cheat on the mail in ballot. Also screw BLM! And BLM being allowed to protest without the mask completely exposed the covid 19 hoax! BLM is the new racist. These thugs been recently shooting randam white people in the head in their cars. Even the high class African Americans denounce them. BLM is the black version of the KKK! And I also hate the Democrat created KKK! All racist are dumb including BLM!
 

radiant Rudy

Well-Known Member
Fauci is lying little gremlin. He keeps on contradicting himself. First he says the mask don't help and actually could do the opposite. The holes are way too big to stop a microscopic virus. Than he says everyone should wear a mask. Get over it people its hyped up cold virus! Old people die from the common flu every year! Fuck the hoax! And also fuck Billy goat! I think alot of you know deep down its bs. Your only reason to keeping covid 19 hoax going is so you can cheat on the mail in ballot. Also screw BLM! And BLM being allowed to protest without the mask completely exposed the covid 19 hoax! BLM is the new racist. These thugs been recently shooting randam white people in the head in their cars. Even the high class African Americans denounce them. BLM is the black version of the KKK! And I also hate the Democrat created KKK! All racist are dumb including BLM!
*Then
Shut the fuck up you gullible, rat fucking kook
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Top