Auto flower v normal
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Zogs
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CONS:
More power consumption
Less forgiving if you make mistakes
More expensive buying seeds all the time (learn to make your own)
Growing from seed (Even with the best breeders there is always going to be slightly different pheno's)
PROS:
Potentially faster harvests
Easier to grow multiple varieties
****No cloning (especially useful if you have a limited plant count and space)****
Will flower in any light cycle.
More power consumption
Less forgiving if you make mistakes
More expensive buying seeds all the time (learn to make your own)
Growing from seed (Even with the best breeders there is always going to be slightly different pheno's)
PROS:
Potentially faster harvests
Easier to grow multiple varieties
****No cloning (especially useful if you have a limited plant count and space)****
Will flower in any light cycle.
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Billy the Mountain
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As mentioned above, no time for recovery should something go wrong is the biggest risk with autos.
With photos, most fixable problems will just set you back a week or two. With an auto, an early mistake can be catastrophic as there's no time to nurse a plant back to health.
With photos, most fixable problems will just set you back a week or two. With an auto, an early mistake can be catastrophic as there's no time to nurse a plant back to health.
MATTYMATT726
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Mephisto Hubbabubbasmelloscope. 2 liter bottle of coco. Fed 1x a day(way too little but i got lazy), topped(i know. NEVER top autos. They can't handle it or recover in time -_-), grown under 24 hours of light(but wait. They must have darkness to rest XD). I can go on and on. The only bad thing about autos is cheap seeds and bad breeders, and growers that get mad they can't grow them well.
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Dontjudgeme
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Biggest cons for me is weight and potency. If either of the 2 don’t matter, go autoflower crazy.
Zogs
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I cringe every time I see potency brought up with auto flowers. Just like photo's, potency is different between every strain. You have the option of picking high THC strains and low ones. Some auto's will tester higher then some photo periods and vice versa.
You can potentially get more weight with a photo just because you veg it longer.. But longer veg doesn't = more weight over multiple grows.
Greenthumblady
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They tend to be smaller plants as there isnt as much veg time to get them to monster size. Typically people grow autos as a solution to a certain barrier with photos.
I personally moved to autos due to not being able to set up complete darkness for 12 hrs. With autos lights go out 4 hrs 1am-5am when the room is dark anyways.
They're also typically easier to grow and they're great for a consistent staggered monthly harvest
I personally moved to autos due to not being able to set up complete darkness for 12 hrs. With autos lights go out 4 hrs 1am-5am when the room is dark anyways.
They're also typically easier to grow and they're great for a consistent staggered monthly harvest
Dontjudgeme
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Don’t get me wrong, that wasn’t a blanket statement across the board for all autos, just the ones I’ve grown. NL, lemon haze, wedding cake just to name a few didn’t have as high of potency in comparison to the photos I’ve grown. And weight is a no brainer. If size restriction is a factor, than weight don’t matter. But that’s the advantage of photos vs autos, you can veg longer and obviously outweigh an auto by a landslide. I’m not against autos, I just prefer to get the weight for the time invested.
CannaOnerStar
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If you had a small grow tent, like 2x2. I think it would be possible to harvest more on average per month from it with autos than photos. The thing is that you could run 4 autos in perpetual grow in there. This would make it so that even tho it has 4 plants in it, it has maxed out space all the time. If you were to grow a photo in that, most likely just one photo, you would need to first veg it and waste grow space and it would only fill up the whole space when its full sized. Autos can run full tent nearly all the time.
Most people would also prefer having steady flow of bud rather than having some every 5 months. Doing this you could also get variety of different strains, new strain finishing up every month if you so wish.
Some auto strains are just as good as good photos, but those are rare and you would need to know what you grow if you wanted steady results with autos. Was it the youtube growpotcheaply or something like that who had his girlfriend test out gorilla glue auto from fastbuds the guy grew. His gf is used to smoking concentrates and has very high tolerances and usually is not effected much even by strongest buds. But this gg auto was too much for her to handle.
Most of the time photos are stronger tho, but thats partly because most who breed autos dont do a good job at it at all. I have grown some low ryder #1 crossed with photos by amateurs over 10 years ago. They were better or equal to much of modern commercial autos, which tells you something about the general quality of autos, average is not much better than low ryder #1 pollen tossed around. but then there are exceptions that are really good.
Compare best autos to average autos and you will see that most auto breeders should be ashamed of what they do lol. But because its mostly new guys buying them, its easy to say that they just did not how to grow and its easy to others just label autos as crap because of this. The fact that many autos are not that good is because of most being crappy auto breeders, not because there would be something in autoflowering itself that would inhibit good buds from developing. All breeders hype their auto strains pretty much the same, but in reality only some of them are well bred.
Dontjudgeme
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Good valid points. I would like to know what those well bred strains are, because as of now, I’m not entirely convinced. I run close to a pound every 4 months or so, and that’s off of 2 photos in 5 gallon pots. I’m only in a 3x3x7, and I only grow for my wife who by the way smokes like a freight train, so I don’t exactly need that much on a yearly basis anyway. The best I’ve been able to pull off is 4oz max off an auto, and that was topped, trained, you name it. My wife said the smoke was ok, just not as potent as the photos, so I decided to give my auto runs up, especially considering the last auto wasn’t even an auto at all, I had to trigger flowering by switching the light cycle after 64 days from seed and not a single sign of flowering. So that didn’t help me want to continue growing them either. Needless to say, autos do have a place in the world, they just aren’t meant for everyone.
PissingNutes
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Seed breeders have improved Autos so the performance has evolved and opinions reflect old and new facts. Bottom line is autos are grown from seed since cloning veg time is insufficient. They grow fast so need growing conditions dialed in where they can be seen as more costly to grow but yield is possibly better than photos.
Dontjudgeme
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Fortunately I speak from my own experience in growing autos, not from some thread I read or researched. Like I said, they aren’t for everyone, and I’m not knocking anyone that decides to grow them. I shared my comparison from 1 to the other, take it with a grain of salt. Maybe I just suck at growing autos, or have had nothing but bad luck with the strains I’ve chosen. Point is, autos aren’t for me. Maybe some time down the road I’ll give it another shot, but for now, 3 months invested for 4oz of ok smoke ain’t worth it to me, but that may be worth it to someone else and their time.
PissingNutes
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...conditions dialed in... slow growing photos aren't for everyone.
Autos done right use less nutes and have less time to get out of balance in the rootzone. I think it's easier for a new grower who's head is not all over the place to get into autos since they make optimal use of the grow environment.
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Dontjudgeme
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No argument there.
CannaOnerStar
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Fastbuds seem to be potent in general, but also seems like they are not as big than with some others. I grew one of their crystal meth autos and bud was on same level to photos(maybe not like the best of the best photos, but good photos). Also like i mentioned i hear their gorilla glue is very potent. I also tried to grow LSD25 auto from them, but they hermied in beginning of flowering, so..
Dutch passion has some very big autos and people said some of their strains are also strong. I grew one blackberry kush and it was like, well if you would compare it to photo, it would be bit under the average, but not too bad. Also very dark purple, absolutely beautiful buds. I would say above average for auto, but bit under average compared to photo.
Mephisto seems to breed plants that are both pretty good size and are strong. I only grew one of their strain, chemdogging and it was definitely good weed even compared to photo weed, but again ofc you can get some top photo weed thats quite a bit stronger, also it had best terp profile from autos i have grown, or maybe not the smell itself, but it was more pungent than other autos i have grown. Reminded me of photos in that way more than autos usually do. Also there was less pheno variation between these 3 chemdoggings than other autos that i have grown. Could be luck or just more stable strain. They seem to be some of the top auto breeders, i suspect because they breed dedicated auto strains and dont try to make some "auto version" of a photo as fast as possible when some new hot photo strain gets hyped enough.. Other breeders just cant advance the same way in their breeding if they always start over.. If you look at these photo strains, they are usually hybrids between two great photo strains. Mixing these would naturally give better results than mixing one of them to some breeder autoflower. Similarly if you got two extreme good autoflowers, you could breed good stuff with them, but other breeders dont do this much, they just take some photo thats hyped, mix it with some of their old breeding autoflower and then try to get it to autoflower as soon as possible and selecting what looks most like the photo.
Sensible seeds wedding cake auto was pretty good too for an auto, but well, not the best, but above average for an auto.
I recommend you do some research if you want to find some of the best strains, but mephisto seems to be quite safe choice and they have good variety from sativa to hybrids and indicas.
PissingNutes
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check out diaries at Growdiaries.com no bullshit there full of information
CannaOnerStar
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Yea just keep in mind that a lot of growers there are beginners, so it could skew some opinions and results, especially if some strain only has few finished diaries, you dont know if all of them are newbies or good growers, so you dont know if their review is relevant or not. Also some might think that a relatively crappy weed is pretty good if they dont smoke a lot of (good)weed.
I also recommend looking at grow diaries, but keeping those things in mind.
PissingNutes
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Information there is to the point and much more precise where growers include what makes their grow as in lights, environment and nutrients as well as pics so a lot less pipe dreams or bullshit being passed along. And usually can find multiple grows with similar elements to compare and find differences, great way to learn.