First time making Bubble Hash - 74G total yield!

harris hawk said:
If you could only use 2 bags which one would you use ? 73 & 160 ?
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I assume that's with a work bag? 73/160 would work, or 45/160 (with a work bag) would basically duplicate my ordering, minus the 25. (Which really only caught medium quality anyways.) It's pretty dependent on strain too, if you've got a lot of smaller trichs the 73 would miss them entirely. And if you've got mostly larger ones the 45 would lower the quality vs the 73.

harris hawk said:
Guess it depends on what you are making? hash or rosin (25 micron) ?
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I think you nailed it right there man. If you're going for full melt hash you want the highest quality possible since it's your last bit of filtering -- that's why the 73 makes more sense there. If you're pressing the product and refining it even further through 25u bags, then going with the 45 like I do will increase yields w/o decreasing quality.
 
SuperiorBuds said:
I assume that's with a work bag? 73/160 would work, or 45/160 (with a work bag) would basically duplicate my ordering, minus the 25. (Which really only caught medium quality anyways.) It's pretty dependent on strain too, if you've got a lot of smaller trichs the 73 would miss them entirely. And if you've got mostly larger ones the 45 would lower the quality vs the 73.



I think you nailed it right there man. If you're going for full melt hash you want the highest quality possible since it's your last bit of filtering -- that's why the 73 makes more sense there. If you're pressing the product and refining it even further through 25u bags, then going with the 45 like I do will increase yields w/o decreasing quality.
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So you say 45 vs 73 ? or use both ? just wanting to make hash for sprinkling on use 120 -160 and edibles ?
 
SuperiorBuds said:
The majority is turned into hash, yes.



If you include equipment costs then definitely not, but realistically you should get a lot more profit. :)

Doing some basic math (lots of assumptions here).

If you have 16oz of fresh buds and you get 20% return on hash, then 80% return on rosin you're looking at 72g of hash rosin. Let's say oz's of flower go for $200 each. Hash rosin goes for $100 per gram (or more), so you're talking $3200 vs $7200. That's without factoring in labor savings from trimming or labor for washing, but it gives you an idea on how to calculate based on your local market.

Keep in mind that flower can be bought just about anywhere, but high quality hash rosin pulls a premium due to quality and rarity. (Most people only get it from dispensaries.) Dispensary pricing is crazy so it's hard to judge local markets -- you can see oz's of flower upwards of $500 and BHO going for $90 / gram here in Michigan. Crazytown...
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What is the benefit of processing bubble hash with fresh versus dried flowers? In the past I have read that trichomes break off of dried flowers far easier than fresh flowers and drying has always been recommended prior to processing as bubble hash. To take it further most of the recommendations I've seen also suggest freezing the material for 24 hours prior to processing to make the trichomes as brittle as possible making separation from the plant matter easier. It seems counter intuitive to skip the drying process does it not? Lay some science on me to straighten me out on this.

Help me out on the term hash rosin also. I've always understood rosin to be manufactured by using a heated press to push the resin out of the plant matter. Hash is a mass of trichomes separated from the plant matter. What is hash rosin?

Thanks for your contributions to the thread. You're a wealth of great information. Your mention of the labor savings over trimming got my attention. I hate trimming with a passion. If I could ever get to a point where most of my harvest was processed as hash and I could move it to patients I'd be onboard in a heart beat. Trimming is such a massive labor consuming process. If you can subvert that and increase profits you're light years ahead of everyone else in the flower game.
 
jonnynobody said:
What is the benefit of processing bubble hash with fresh versus dried flowers? In the past I have read that trichomes break off of dried flowers far easier than fresh flowers and drying has always been recommended prior to processing as bubble hash. To take it further most of the recommendations I've seen also suggest freezing the material for 24 hours prior to processing to make the trichomes as brittle as possible making separation from the plant matter easier. It seems counter intuitive to skip the drying process does it not? Lay some science on me to straighten me out on this.
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There are a number of terpenes that will evaporate during the drying process, so fresh frozen captures these before they can off-gas. You know how your garden smells on the day of harvest? That's the smell of my fresh frozen bags from the freezer. Secondary to this but also beneficial is that trichomes will oxidize somewhat during the dry/cure process. With fresh frozen plus a freeze dryer the goal is to end up with pure blonde hash with little to no oxidation. This results in the pure golden rosin that is so coveted today.

jonnynobody said:
Help me out on the term hash rosin also. I've always understood rosin to be manufactured by using a heated press to push the resin out of the plant matter. Hash is a mass of trichomes separated from the plant matter. What is hash rosin?
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You are correct. Rosin is using heat and pressure to melt the trichomes and collecting only the oils from inside the resin heads. Flower rosin and hash rosin are different in that you are not pushing the oils through the flower material, which traps and holds it in the puck.

When pressing hash you have no flower material to trap your precious oil as you're separating the fats and waxes. (Removing the useless outer shell of the trichome.) This results in dabs that melt 100% clean and leave zero char behind on the banger. It also helps create a product that can now be jarred and stored in a 50F fridge indefinitely, without the worry of melting hash or taking up valuable freezer space.

jonnynobody said:
Thanks for your contributions to the thread. You're a wealth of great information.
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Thanks for that. Been learning a lot myself, so it's great to be able to share the knowledge.

jonnynobody said:
Trimming is such a massive labor consuming process.
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Trimming and burping 100's of jars is why I started on my hash journey. Having a superior end product ended up being a bonus. :)
 
jonnynobody said:
As a side note I will say this is incredibly potent. So potent that I had trouble waking up this morning. I smoked a lot of it last night :) I broke it up really fine and mixed with a small amount of weed, because hash on it's own burns very poorly. Bong rips of high grade bubble hash had my dick in the dirt. I could hardly hold my eyes open and I haven't had cotton mouth like that since I was in the 7th grade. Wow! I'm not smoking any for a few days. Shit just makes me absolutely retarded and it lasts a very long time. I literally woke up still high in the morning from last night. I think bubble hash is far superior to any solvent based extract in both flavor and potency. Plus you're not smoking something that may have residual solvents and god knows what other contaminants that may remain from the chemical extraction process. To each their own though :)
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That's why I bought a rosin press it only uses heat and pressure. I like to press my hash into rosin since I don't like the way hash burns in a bowl and I love the taste the rosin gives plus it's a bit more potent compared to the hash.
 
I love my Pikes Peak rosin press. Just after I bought mine they came out with the Longs Peak (bigger). Can't win em all, but still it's a bad ass press.

One tip for pressing hash. Use the 25u screen! If you must use the 76u bags it can be done but you have to be careful or you can press the whole mess through the bag. The way around that is make the patty thin and using almost no pressure let the plates warm the patty before applying gradual pressure.

I use a tumbler to get the kief off of some larfy nugs and trim. I take that and press it to get amazing rosin. Pressing flower sucks because of the amount of labor and waste of bags/screens (costly).

When it comes to live rosin/fresh frozen, some strains don't have a high wash % so those are best left to butane / closed loop processing. Some of those strains are mega frosty but the trichomes are not cooperative in the washing process.
 
For pressing hash I use the triple-bag method. First the hash is loaded into a 25u bag, then rotated and insert into another 25u bag. Rotated again and finally put into a 160u bag. The final bag is used to create a strong structure around the 25u bags to avoid blowouts and also helps create a bit of "grip" on the parchment to prevent slipping. (Those 25u bags are like silk.)

I press for 3 minutes at 165F -- the first 30 seconds being a warmup w/ the plates barely touching the hash. Then I increase pressure slowly over the next 2 minutes. I start to see pressure on the gauge in the final 30 seconds and will work up to the proper PSI based on my bag size. I shoot for around a 75-80% return from hash to rosin, but what I end up with is the cleanest dabbing material I've ever smoked.

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Nice work everyone! Last time I made bubblehash I vowed never to do it again, with the effort it took! I fully agree that the 5 bag kits are just not worth it, you only need a couple of different mesh sizes. What I got out of the super fine one was blow your face off good, but the effort.. urrgh. I cant believe how much you got out of the stems, that's crazy!
 
SuperiorBuds said:
I disagree. While you don't need one to make hash, a freeze dryer removes 100% of the variables when drying. Pedro and Frenchie both say it's the biggest factor for creating quality hash, and after seeing the difference I totally agree.



I run a nice little ice maker, as well. Using RO water for everything from the wash, to the ice, to the rinse.


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Again referring back to Pedro and Frenchie's methods -- I run without any work bag at all. The cold water vortex is what breaks the trichomes off, so you actually increase yields greatly w/o a work bag holding everything into a big mass.

For the sieving bags 100% mesh should be a requirement, though. Cheap bags will make inferior product -- the mesh can stretch, the stitching comes undone, and they can release broken fibers into your clean hash.
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How are you running RO to your ice machine?
My ice machine requires 20-80psi but my RO just trickles. Idk if a booster pump will improve the outlet pressure, its advertised to improved inlet pressure. I dont have much experience with the RO systems, any help would be appreciated!
 
SuperiorBuds said:
For pressing hash I use the triple-bag method. First the hash is loaded into a 25u bag, then rotated and insert into another 25u bag. Rotated again and finally put into a 160u bag. The final bag is used to create a strong structure around the 25u bags to avoid blowouts and also helps create a bit of "grip" on the parchment to prevent slipping. (Those 25u bags are like silk.)

I press for 3 minutes at 165F -- the first 30 seconds being a warmup w/ the plates barely touching the hash. Then I increase pressure slowly over the next 2 minutes. I start to see pressure on the gauge in the final 30 seconds and will work up to the proper PSI based on my bag size. I shoot for around a 75-80% return from hash to rosin, but what I end up with is the cleanest dabbing material I've ever smoked.

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I recently switched to dry ice hash making. All of my hash is used to make high potency BadKat hash caps. Dry ice method is just too easy and quick to monkey with wet washing anymore. Plus boiling off the leftover dry ice is fun :)

This batch was made with flower so I allowed more plant matter to pass through which is why that clump on top is more green than the rest underneath. If I were smoking the hash I would definitely use the wet wash method. It's a higher quality hash that's produced. However, I'm capping this all up into gel capsules for oral consumption. The dry ice method is ideal for my intended use of the product. I used 40g of flower to produce 17g of hash sieved through a 160 micron bag. Took me less than 2 hours to go to the store, buy the ice, process it once home, collect my hash, and cleanup. By hour 3 I was decarbing. If I wet washed I'd still be washing at hour 3.

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Dealgrowz said:
How are you running RO to your ice machine?
My ice machine requires 20-80psi but my RO just trickles. Idk if a booster pump will improve the outlet pressure, its advertised to improved inlet pressure. I dont have much experience with the RO systems, any help would be appreciated!
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You can buy a pressure tank on Amazon for a RO system. 3.5 gallon all the way up to 40 gallon.
 
Dealgrowz said:
How are you running RO to your ice machine?
My ice machine requires 20-80psi but my RO just trickles. Idk if a booster pump will improve the outlet pressure, its advertised to improved inlet pressure. I dont have much experience with the RO systems, any help would be appreciated!
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My RO just runs direct to the ice machine. My ice maker complained at first but once it filled the internal reservoir the RO speed didn't matter. Which ice maker did you get?

I do run an Aquatec 8800 with a 2.5 gallon accumulator on the inlet side since I don't have enough water pressure for the RO system, but even with that I only get a slow flow on the clean side.

Cabrone said:
You can buy a pressure tank on Amazon for a RO system. 3.5 gallon all the way up to 40 gallon.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01CES39N0/ref=cm_sw_r_cp_apa_fabc_rP-7FbV5PHG12?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1
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Those tanks go on the inlet side, not the outlet side. The outlet is not under pressure so it would never fill the bladder.
 
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