Alright Barack Obama supporters, now what?

misshestermoffitt

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"And the lobbyists. God awmighty, I want those people's rights to legally bribe our representatives curtailed big time. Obama said they'd have no place in his administration, and I'm going to be hopping mad if I don't see some sort of progress made on this issue."


I'd like to see some action on this too.
 

Seamaiden

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He said that, huh? :lol:

Is there ANYONE else here who uses actions to gauge, instead of words? Or, how about just matching words to actions and see if they fit?
 

Spitzered

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"And the lobbyists. God awmighty, I want those people's rights to legally bribe our representatives curtailed big time. Obama said they'd have no place in his administration, and I'm going to be hopping mad if I don't see some sort of progress made on this issue."


I'd like to see some action on this too.
Kinda like Campaign finance reform? After promising to only use Pubic Funding?

Commentary: Obama breaks promise on campaign finance - CNN.com

Those with the most money wins. Modern American Politics 101.
 

Johnnyorganic

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"And the lobbyists. God awmighty, I want those people's rights to legally bribe our representatives curtailed big time. Obama said they'd have no place in his administration, and I'm going to be hopping mad if I don't see some sort of progress made on this issue."

I'd like to see some action on this too.
I believe this particular action is called 'crawfishing.'
Despite campaign trail promises that special interests wouldn’t be a part of his administration, President-elect Barack Obama’s has sent signals to the lobbyists that they can get jobs with him.

The Obama policy, which appears to be evolving, would prevent lobbyists from taking administration jobs in the same areas they had advocated for in their private practices.
Obama to set limits on lobby hires - Erika Lovley and Eamon Javers - Politico.com
 

VTXDave

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And the lobbyists. God awmighty, I want those people's rights to legally bribe our representatives curtailed big time. Obama said they'd have no place in his administration, and I'm going to be hopping mad if I don't see some sort of progress made on this issue.
He's got Carol Browner on his transition team. Carol Browner happens to be married to a big shot lobbyist/former Congressman (no surprise there, eh?) by the name of Tom Downey. Tom got paid quite handsomely to plead Fannie Mae's case not too long ago. No place on the administration he says? <giggle>
 

NuteGreenwitch

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You know what amazes me? We all know that Republicans have waged a crushing war on marijuana and have kept our freedom in this regard locked down and we know that Democrats are more lenient and accepting of a policy to soften the laws on pot. But I am REALLY amazed by how many pot smokers can still maintain support for a Republican led Democracy and not be ashamed to voice their opinions on forums like this one.

I will admit that my views on most foreign and domestic policy are of a conservative nature, but I find myself quarreling with my conscience when I go to vote because I do want to uphold traditional American values and I do want my country to turn back to a time where people could communicate face-to-face and mingle with a sincere desire to just hang out and enjoy company rather than wasting a friendship on instant messaging and pointless emails. Don't get me wrong, I love having an opportunity to read, research, post and play on the internet in my spare time, but I just feel like a loser spending so much time online when I could be interacting in a much more personable way.

Traditional values do not mean turning back the clocks on achievements we've made to make the USA the greatest country in the world, and most certainly, I wish marijuana never became a political party branded issue because I would not hate myself for voting a conservative ticket. But unfortunately, marijuana is a politically branded issue and the Democrats have my vote for the stance they take on it. Isn't that a shame? I love my country, but I love my pot too. I won't forsake my country because of pot, but I don't feel like I should have to forsake my freedoms because of pot either.

I'm not a liberal in the sense that I feel it is okay for people to do whatever they want with certain freedom. I feel that criminals deserve the punishments they get and much more. But I am NOT a criminal because I enjoy smoking weed in the privacy of MY home. I am not a criminal because I like the smell and taste of the finest green. I am not a criminal because I take joy in seeing a perfectly cultivated plant stand tall and bear fruit.

What is your definition of "criminal" and does your voting conscience bother you? If pot weren't a politically branded issue, do you ever see yourself voting on a conservative ticket? :peace:
 

misshestermoffitt

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Anyone watch CNN during the day?

Today there was a woman, and damned if I can remember her name. She was going to give her thoughts on Marijuana decriminialztion in Mass. I stopped to watch it thinking "there is no way in hell this woman is going to say anything positive about this situation"

She ended up ranting about the money the federal government spends to fight marijuana and how the prisons are clogged with non-violent drug offenders. Her stance was to decriminalize and regulate nation wide.

You could have knocked me over with a feather, I just stood there awestruck by the words coming out of her mouth. Damn I wish I could remember her name.
 

NuteGreenwitch

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Yep - he's an exception to the Good ol boy network! He's just one man in a whirlpool of shit. Anyone want to help him out of this shit?
 

VTXDave

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Yep - he's an exception to the Good ol boy network! He's just one man in a whirlpool of shit. Anyone want to help him out of this shit?
The man is a true Republican. I'd define that whirlpool of shit as a "whirlpool of neo-cons". The neo-cons have hijacked the Republican Party and that is why I left it 4 years ago and registered Libertarian. I was a registered Republican since 1978 up until then. I haven't smoked weed since 1979, yet, as a Republican, I always supported the right of people to grow and smoke it. I didn't leave the Republican Party, the Republican Party left me.
 

Doctor Pot

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Many if not most Washington DC employees have past experience as lobbyists. It'd be hard to find qualified employees if you excluded everyone with past lobbying experience. Also, most lobbyists aren't really bad people, I mean there are lobbyists who work on behalf of autistic kids or cancer research. Heck, NORML probably hires lobbyists too.

Ron Paul has probably set the record for number of house votes that went 434-1 or 1-434, where he was the 1. Not exactly a team player, that Ron Paul. :p
 

NuteGreenwitch

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Anyone watch CNN during the day?

Today there was a woman, and damned if I can remember her name. She was going to give her thoughts on Marijuana decriminialztion in Mass. I stopped to watch it thinking "there is no way in hell this woman is going to say anything positive about this situation"

She ended up ranting about the money the federal government spends to fight marijuana and how the prisons are clogged with non-violent drug offenders. Her stance was to decriminalize and regulate nation wide.

You could have knocked me over with a feather, I just stood there awestruck by the words coming out of her mouth. Damn I wish I could remember her name.
It will be on youtube, and if it isn't, I will hunt it down and put it up there.
 

VTXDave

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Many if not most Washington DC employees have past experience as lobbyists. It'd be hard to find qualified employees if you excluded everyone with past lobbying experience. Also, most lobbyists aren't really bad people, I mean there are lobbyists who work on behalf of autistic kids or cancer research. Heck, NORML probably hires lobbyists too.
Maybe so, but once again I have to then ask the question..."What did he mean if he said that lobbyists will have no place in his administration?" Is this another one of those "Well, what he really meant was...<insert interpretation here>"?

I suppose technically, one could say that he didn't directly hire a mega-lobbyist (one that lobbyed for Fannie Mae)...he just hired the guy's wife. I'm sure they don't discuss policy over dinner, right? ;)
 

Johnnyorganic

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The notion that Democrat elected officials are pro-cannabis is wishful thinking. They are not. Not once have they reversed any federal cannabis prohibition policy. Jimmy Carter mentioned re-legalization once as President and was crucified. We all remember Bill Clinton not inhaling. President-Elect Obama's position on decriminalization has evolved considerably from when he ran for Illinois State Senate.

Talk is cheap. I want action and that requires political courage. And the Democratic power structure benefits as much from prohibition as does the Republican power structure.

If you are an issue voter and cannabis is your issue, you don't have a home in either major party.
 

Doctor Pot

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I guess Obama meant that nobody would be able to work simultaneously for him and for a lobbying firm. After all, working for a lobbying firm shouldn't brand you for life.

You can influence your government in more ways than just by who you vote for. For example, you can write to your senators and representatives. They don't read all the letters, but their staff does.
 

NorthwestBuds

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The notion that Democrat elected officials are pro-cannabis is wishful thinking. They are not. Not once have they reversed any federal cannabis prohibition policy. Jimmy Carter mentioned re-legalization once as President and was crucified. We all remember Bill Clinton not inhaling. President-Elect Obama's position on decriminalization has evolved considerably from when he ran for Illinois State Senate.

Talk is cheap. I want action and that requires political courage. And the Democratic power structure benefits as much from prohibition as does the Republican power structure.

If you are an issue voter and cannabis is your issue, you don't have a home in either major party.
I could not agree with you more John. The ONDCP is never going to go away unless all proponents start a grass roots movement like Obama did. We all need to start influencing our representatives and fighting the good fight until we prevail. I know it can be done....and in my lifetime.
 

misshestermoffitt

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In IL the most of the Dems vote in favor of medical marijuana, so far only 1 repub has cast a vote in favor.


Coca-cola, diet, NOW.


The notion that Democrat elected officials are pro-cannabis is wishful thinking. They are not. Not once have they reversed any federal cannabis prohibition policy. Jimmy Carter mentioned re-legalization once as President and was crucified. We all remember Bill Clinton not inhaling. President-Elect Obama's position on decriminalization has evolved considerably from when he ran for Illinois State Senate.

Talk is cheap. I want action and that requires political courage. And the Democratic power structure benefits as much from prohibition as does the Republican power structure.

If you are an issue voter and cannabis is your issue, you don't have a home in either major party.
 
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