Pandemic 2020

[DIY-HP-LED]

The great thing about mRNA vaccines is they are relatively easy to produce and can be adapted very quickly to this pandemic or others. Once confidence is established and safety concerns addressed, the thing about the technology is it's promise and the efficacy is extremely good with covid, even in older people. These could also make influenza vaccines in older people more effective in the future. The tools to rapidly map genomes and understanding them are evolving rapidly and the equipment for producing RNA and even DNA sequence strands is quite old. Moderna has made a breakthrough in the liposome packaging and strand stabilizing that will be useful, not just for covid, but a host of future vaccines that this technology can make cheaply and quickly. Multiple mRNA strands can be packed in a liposome to do various tasks, even in coordination.

 

[Sativied]

“Although Denmark is the only country to order a nationwide mink cull, others, including the Netherlands, Spain and, most recently, Greece, are killing mink with Covid-19”.

That’s not entirely correct. In NL we don’t kill just the mink with covid, the entire farm is closed permanently. It was already planned to end mink farming in 2024, now because of covid they’ll have to close before march next year. Many farms are already closed and millions of mink have been gassed.

The question is does the vaccine work on it too and even on the minks, we might end up vaccinating domestic animals too.

The vaccines will likely work just as well on the mutated versions except for one that isn’t widespread. These mink are not used as domestic animals but bred for fur and stuffed together in many small cages allowing for an unusal easy spread.

COVID mink analysis shows mutations are not dangerous — yet

The analysis found the mutations probably won’t jeopardize vaccines, but scientists say the rampant spread means the animals still need to be killed.

www.nature.com

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

“Although Denmark is the only country to order a nationwide mink cull, others, including the Netherlands, Spain and, most recently, Greece, are killing mink with Covid-19”.

That’s not entirely correct. In NL we don’t kill just the mink with covid, the entire farm is closed permanently. It was already planned to end mink farming in 2024, now because of covid they’ll have to close before march next year. Many farms are already closed and millions of mink have been gassed.

The vaccines will likely work just as well on the mutated versions except for one that isn’t widespread. These mink are not used as domestic animals but bred for fur and stuffed together in many small cages allowing for an unusal easy spread.

COVID mink analysis shows mutations are not dangerous — yet

The analysis found the mutations probably won’t jeopardize vaccines, but scientists say the rampant spread means the animals still need to be killed.

www.nature.com

I agree with the ethical concerns and necessity of these places, the point is, let's say covid infests pork or poultry production? These mRNA vaccines might be the answer, their production is rapid and easy, once facilities crank them out with improved encapsulation, their cost, speed of production, effectiveness and flexibility holds promise for many future vaccines and rapid response. In animal populations safety is not as great a concern and response can be more rapid. A couple of hundred people in a dedicated facility can produce enormous quantities of these vaccines in a short period of time, once the technology is developed further.

Covid is endemic now and we might have to inoculate domestic animals too, including dogs and cats.

 

[Wattzzup]

Here’s one way to make sure you get your bailout money.

7 U.S. Airlines Threaten They'll Be Unable To Ship Vaccines Without A Second Government Bailout - View from the Wing

The CEOs of the 7 largest U.S. airlines told Congress that unless they get a second bailout by the end of the year, don't expect them to ship vaccines. It's an idle threat. They're telling their own workers they're ready and eager for the vaccine shipping business. Subsidizing flight attendant...

viewfromthewing.com

 

[smokinrav]

CDC expecting 300,000 dead by Dec. 12 and 350,000 dead by January. In 9 months. You know. Just like the flu.

 

[Rob Roy]

Interesting perspective of a doctor who is thinking government response to covid is very disproportionate.

 

[hanimmal]

Interesting perspective of a doctor who is thinking government response to covid is very disproportionate.

IMO the guy in the audio pulls off the incredulous voice and states a lot of his feelings, but doesn't actually back anything up.

The only thing that he had to say that could be checked was his saying that masks don't work, and that no studies show that, but he is wrong. There are studies that show they are effective.

Im sure a lot of people back in the day were just as ardent with their telling government that the cost of creating a sewage system was just too much and the dangers of tossing shit out the window was over-exaggerated. Didn't make them right then, or the people saying we shouldn't wear masks instead of basking in everyone else bodily excretions are today.

Mask up, there is a pandemic going on.

 

[CunningCanuk]

I am of the belief that a can of fruit cocktail (extra cherry) every morning helps boost Covid-19 immunity
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Yikes! How many pit stops you make on a trip?

 

[CunningCanuk]

Interesting perspective of a doctor who is thinking government response to covid is very disproportionate.

Didn’t look. What did I miss?

 

[hillbill]

More shit from the outskirts of reason and logic from Doctor of the Apes.

 

[CunningCanuk]

More shit from the outskirts of reason and logic from Doctor of the Apes.

That’s what I thought.

 

[captainmorgan]

More than 2,000 deaths today, christmas we'll see 3,000 a day or more.

 

[smokinrav]

smfh. So many Americans dead from Trump's egomania...

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

I see Don jr and Rudy's son tested positive for covid, how Rudy got away, if he did, is a mystery. Maybe he does turn into a bat at night and the bat immune system fights off the bat virus. Rudy was melting because he was out in daylight, you know what that does to them! More "proof" Rudy is a vampire!

Don Jr. Latest to Test Positive in Trumpworld COVID Outbreak

Numerous people close to Don Jr. had tested positive in recent months, including his father and his girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle.

www.thedailybeast.com

Don Jr. Tests Positive for Coronavirus: Report

A MATTER OF TIME
Numerous people close to Don. Jr had tested positive in recent months, including his father and his girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle.

 

[smokinrav]

No greater karmic law needs to be observed than Rudy getting covid. His son, of course, works in the white house.

 

[Puff_Dragon]

worrying things for me:
The Mink cull was due to Mink catching CV-19 then returning it to the human population.
Meaning:
CV-19 crosses the species barrier (and not just in mink). That is, historically speaking, a very serious concern (especially as most of the world won't be able to check into this issue too well - across all their indigenous animal species).


My other concern is with the vaccines.
If the natural antibodies (you get from having CV-19) disappear after 3 months (max) of having the virus.
i.e. After three months, you can catch CV-19 again (rinse and repeat this cycle infinitum).
Therefore;
how can a vaccine be viable beyond that 3 month period?
Vaccines are expected to never be as effective as the natural antibodies you get from a virus. So, how can these vaccines work any longer than the three months nature antibodies last for?

I know medical professors/teachers that are asking this same question ..and getting no reply.
Maybe it is down to research secrecy, but it is quietly annoying the medical teaching community (who are by nature 'non profit' and about sharing information).

Peace.

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

worrying things for me:
The Mink cull was due to Mink catching CV-19 then returning it to the human population.
Meaning:
CV-19 crosses the species barrier (and not just in mink). That is, historically speaking, a very serious concern (especially as most of the world won't be able to check into this issue too well - across all their indigenous animal species).


My other concern is with the vaccines.
If the natural antibodies (you get from having CV-19) disappear after 3 months (max) of having the virus.
i.e. After three months, you can catch CV-19 again (rinse and repeat this cycle infinitum).
Therefore;
how can a vaccine be viable beyond that 3 month period?
Vaccines are expected to never be as effective as the natural antibodies you get from a virus. So, how can these vaccines work any longer than the three months nature antibodies last for?

I know medical professors/teachers that are asking this same question ..and getting no reply.
Maybe it is down to research secrecy, but it is quietly annoying the medical teaching community (who are by nature 'non profit' and about sharing information).

Peace.

Go back a few pages in this thread for answers from scientists in the articles posted, covid immunity apparently lasts a long time, but time will tell! the antibodies disappear after 3 months, but the B cells that make them and other components that "remember" it are around for quite sometime in similar diseases.

These new mRNA vaccines work differently than most traditional vaccines, they are almost as effective in the elderly as in the young, also they produce a very strong immune response, like having a bad case of covid and immunity will be the same as having a bad case of covid. This virus does not mutate much and the one that has made it more contagious and even the mink mutation appear to make it even more vulnerable to the vaccine. This is endemic now and domestic animals an even pets might have to be inoculated too. Fortunately mRNA vaccines will be quick, cheap and easy to produce and are very flexible for a host of viral diseases, just change the strand of mRNA inside the protective capsule, this is just the beginning, wait a few years. Covid does not rapidly mutate like influenza viruses do, but the more infections the more opportunity.

 

[Dr.Amber Trichome]

I see Don jr and Rudy's son tested positive for covid, how Rudy got away, if he did, is a mystery. Maybe he does turn into a bat at night and the bat immune system fights off the bat virus. Rudy was melting because he was out in daylight, you know what that does to them! More "proof" Rudy is a vampire!

Don Jr. Latest to Test Positive in Trumpworld COVID Outbreak

Numerous people close to Don Jr. had tested positive in recent months, including his father and his girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle.

www.thedailybeast.com

Don Jr. Tests Positive for Coronavirus: Report

A MATTER OF TIME
Numerous people close to Don. Jr had tested positive in recent months, including his father and his girlfriend, Kimberly Guilfoyle.

Ah! I love it!! I hope he dies.
Hahaha! I saw Rudy sweating bullets as well. That’s hysterical. Your so funny!

 

[DIY-HP-LED]

Ah! I love it!! I hope he dies.
Hahaha! I saw Rudy sweating bullets as well. That’s hysterical. Your so funny!

Rudy croaking would put the capstone on the Trump presidency. I don't wish death upon him, but he did help to kill many thousands with covid and work folks like you near to death and sometimes death. He held the knife that cut your throat too, he should know the risks and flaunted them.

 

[Puff_Dragon]

Go back a few pages in this thread for answers from scientists in the articles posted, covid immunity apparently lasts a long time, but time will tell! the antibodies disappear after 3 months, but the B cells that make them and other components that "remember" it are around for quite sometime in similar diseases.

These new mRNA vaccines work differently than most traditional vaccines, they are almost as effective in the elderly as in the young, also they produce a very strong immune response, like having a bad case of covid and immunity will be the same as having a bad case of covid. This virus does not mutate much and the one that has made it more contagious and even the mink mutation appear to make it even more vulnerable to the vaccine. This is endemic now and domestic animals an even pets might have to be inoculated too. Fortunately mRNA vaccines will be quick, cheap and easy to produce and are very flexible for a host of viral diseases, just change the strand of mRNA inside the protective capsule, this is just the beginning, wait a few years. Covid does not rapidly mutate like influenza viruses do, but the more infections the more opportunity.

Thanks for the info. I had avoided media outlets. As they were not giving out the correct info for my liking (too knee jerk), so I stuck with only asking medical professionals (sometimes, involved in the study of CV-19).
I have a family member who has conducted autopsies on those who have died of CV-19. Part of the ongoing (non profit) research. Working on the lung and heart damage (as well as the other, deeper, effects that are still being researched but not reported so well).
I will ask her the next time I see her about this info (I see her every month or so). She will break down the true 'pros and cons' and I'll report back about what a medical professor thinks.
As you mention though 'time will tell'. i.e. we don't really know yet.

Stay safe and vigilant (all).
Peace.