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Jimdamick

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Trump, self-described dealmaker-in-chief, opted not to buy millions of doses of coronavirus vaccine | Salon.com

Trump, self-described dealmaker-in-chief, opted not to buy millions of doses of coronavirus vaccine
Distribution of coronavirus vaccines in the US will likely be greatly delayed by Trump's misstep

President Donald Trump ran his 2016 presidential campaign on the promise that he was an expert dealmaker, a political outsider whose expertise lay in the business realm. Yet curiously, the self-described dealmaker-in-chief passed up the chance to purchase millions of doses of Pfizer/BioNTech's novel coronavirus vaccine, a decision that will slow the rate at which Americans can access the vaccine.

The company made several efforts to convince Trump to purchase more than the 100 million doses of the company's vaccine candidate that it had reserved over the summer for $1.95 billion, according to The New York Times. Yet Trump turned down the offers, which gave other nations like the United Kingdom the opportunity to lock them down first. After Pfizer and BioNTech announced last month that they had seen success in developing their vaccine candidate, and submitted an emergency use authorization request to the Food and Drug Administration (FDA), the Trump administration began talks with the company for more of its vaccine. Yet the company is not sure it can deliver more than the initial 100 million promised doses before the summer of 2021.

Because the vaccine requires two shots to be effective, this means that only 50 million Americans will be able to get the Pfizer vaccine before then, with priority being given to health care workers and residents at nursing homes.

Moncef Slaoui, the official in charge of Operation Warp Speed (the government's vaccine development program), told ABC on Tuesday that the government did not know which vaccine candidates would work and which ones would not.

"No one reasonably would buy more from any one of those vaccines because we didn't know which one would work and which one would be better than the other," Slaoui said.

Scott Gottlieb, a board member of Pfizer who worked as a Food and Drug Administration (FDA) commissioner under Trump, confirmed to CNBC on Tuesday that "Pfizer did offer an additional allotment coming out of that plan, basically the second-quarter allotment, to the US government multiple times." He added that the company did this "as recently as after the interim data came out and we knew this vaccine looked to be effective" and speculated that the Trump administration was "betting that more than one vaccine is going to get authorized and there will be more vaccines on the market .... perhaps [that] could be why they didn't take up that additional 100 [million] option agreement."

Perhaps in response to the news about his administration's failure to get a better deal on Pfizer's vaccine, Trump announced on Tuesday that he is going to sign an executive order stating that Americans will receive priority over other countries in obtaining a coronavirus vaccine. The White House has not offered any specifics on how its executive order will accomplish this, however, and Slaoui told ABC News that he did not know anything about the order's contents. Representatives from Pfizer and Moderna, the other pharmaceutical company to announce a recent coronavirus vaccine breakthrough, declined to attend a White House "Vaccine Summit" event also held on Tuesday, according to STAT News.

A number of people took to Twitter to question the wisdom of Trump's decision to not accept Pfizer's offer.

"Why would the trump administration turn down the opportunity to buy more of the pfizer vaccine," tweeted Molly Jong-Fast, editor at large at The Daily Beast. "What was the thinking here? I'm fascinating by how stupid this is."

Garrett M. Graff, director of the Aspen Institute's Cybersecurity Program, tweeted that "it's hard to imagine more deflating pandemic news than the that Trump administration botched ordering additional doses of the Pfizer vaccine and as many as 100 million Americans will have to wait months longer for a life-saving treatment."

Harvard law professor Laurence Tribe had his own speculative theory, tweeting, "Who among us would be surprised if Trump or some of those close to him had financial interests that accepting Pfizer's offer could have compromised? Isn't that very prospect a devastating indictment of the corrupt family running this administration?"

Writing to Salon, Tribe observed that while "it's well beyond my capacity to conduct any such inquiry. I was careful in my tweet just to raise the question, not to offer an answer. Given the vast web of financial holdings in the Trump orbit, and this president's past history of corrupt dealings, it's a natural question to raise. And my main point was that the very fact such a question would seem plausible with respect to a sitting president is a sad comment on where we find ourselves."
Geez, what a fucking shock!!!!
I mean that carnival barker/liar/bull-shit artist & now Murderer/Assassin (my opinion) Trump has a storied history of being a complete failure as a business man.
How many bankruptcies?
Oh that's right!! Fucking six times (gotta love it :) )
Trump Casino=failure
Trump Vodka/Winery's=failure
Trump water=failure
Trump airlines=failure
Trump steaks=failure
Trump University=failure
But nope, the American people choose to elect him to run the most dynamic economy on this Planet.
What did we expect to happen, that all of a sudden he would get his shit together?
Nope, never did/never will happen.
Instead we are literally dying by the hundreds of thousands due to his innate failure as a Human Being and facing a cataclysmic meltdown of our economy.
Who would/could have thunk that would be a possibility?
Well, it is what it is.
No do overs
We fucked ourselves, big time.
Wear a mask/stay as safe as you fucking can/Peace out :)
 

CunningCanuk

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She got it also :) :) :)
300,000 dead, the virus ran throughout the White House and not one of those fuckers died. You would think that at least one of the pieces of shit Republicans in Congress or the dipshits working in the west wing would die. No. Herman Caine dies and Stephen Miller lives.

Coroni ain’t nothin to worry about if you have lots of money and power.

Same old fucking shit.....
 

TacoMac

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300,000 dead, the virus ran throughout the White House and not one of those fuckers died. You would think that at least one of the pieces of shit Republicans in Congress or the dipshits working in the west wing would die. No. Herman Caine dies and Stephen Miller lives.

Coroni ain’t nothin to worry about if you have lots of money and power.

Same old fucking shit.....
Until they all leave on January 20th and have to deal with the same medical system as everybody else.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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TRUMP BLEW IT ON VACCINES. AGAIN. HE PASSED ON 100 MILLION MORE DOSES.

While thousands of British citizens got the Pfizer vaccine TODAY, all we got was a Trump "White House Vaccine Summit" at which he did not explain why he, the great deal maker, turned down 100,000,000 more doses of the Pfizer Vaccine. He BLEW IT.

Trump also promptly turned the "summit" into a call for the Supreme Court or state legislators or Superman or somebody to have the "courage" to overturn the democratic process and declare him an unelected dictator. As the SCOTUS decision against his bullshit suit in Pennsylvania suggests, he blew THAT too.

Behind the authoritarianism and the insanity, we are reminded again that Trump is a terrible businessman who simply cannot get anything done, except to complain. His imbecility and lack of empathy about the pandemic means thousands more Americans will die unnecessarily - and he and his Troglodyte henchmen should rot in jail for it.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Donald has a secret stash of antibodies, they saved his ass and he is using them as power and favors, Rudy wasn't that worried about covid for a reason. So how many thousands of doses of antibodies did Donald steal? How many thousands will die because of this theft? The base won't mind, covid is fake news for many, even if Trump got it, maybe they think that because its killing so many blacks and Hispanics that sacrifices have to be made and efforts to spread it must continue as a biological weapon.

47% of voters are ok with this and Trump wouldn't lose a vote over it, they are far too gone for that, besides not just reality can be faked, history can be too.
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Trump and Friends Got Coronavirus Care Many Others Couldn’t - The New York Times (nytimes.com)

Trump and Friends Got Coronavirus Care Many Others Couldn’t
Rudolph W. Giuliani became the latest in President Trump’s inner circle to boast about the treatment he received for Covid-19, as hospitals across the country ration care.

WASHINGTON — Ben Carson, Chris Christie and Donald J. Trump are not the sturdiest candidates to conquer the coronavirus: older, in some cases overweight, male and not particularly fit. Yet all seem to have gotten through Covid-19, and all have gotten an antibody treatment in such short supply that some hospitals and states are doling it out by lottery.

Now Rudolph W. Giuliani, the latest member of President Trump’s inner circle to contract Covid-19, has acknowledged that he received at least two of the same drugs the president received. He even conceded that his “celebrity” status had given him access to care that others did not have.

“If it wasn’t me, I wouldn’t have been put in a hospital frankly,” Mr. Giuliani, the president’s personal lawyer, told WABC radio in New York. “Sometimes when you’re a celebrity, they’re worried if something happens to you they’re going to examine it more carefully, and do everything right.”

Mr. Giuliani’s candid admission once again exposes that Covid-19 has become a disease of the haves and the have-nots. The treatment given to Mr. Trump’s allies is raising alarms among medical ethicists as state officials and health system administrators grapple with gut-wrenching decisions about which patients get antibodies in a system that can only be described as rationing.

“We should not have Chris Christie and Ben Carson — and in the case of Carson with intervention by the president — get access,” said Arthur Caplan, a medical ethicist who works with drug companies on how to ration scarce medicines, referring to the secretary of housing and urban development’s admission that the president “cleared” him for the therapy. “That is not the way to secure public support for difficult rationing systems.”

The treatments — a monoclonal antibody developed by Eli Lilly and a cocktail of two monoclonal antibodies developed by Regeneron — won emergency use authorization, or an E.U.A., from the Food and Drug Administration last month for outpatients with “mild to moderate” disease who are at high risk for progressing to severe disease or for being hospitalized.

With cases soaring, the pool of potential patients is vast.
“One of the challenges is the E.U.A. criteria really are so broad, it could be half of the people with Covid could qualify, but there is clearly not enough,” said Erin Fox, the senior pharmacy director for University of Utah Health, who has helped her state draft criteria to determine who is eligible for the drugs. “Unfortunately, that leaves each hospital or each state to develop their own rationing criteria.”
Even some top officials at the F.D.A. — both career employees and political appointees — have privately expressed concern in recent months that people with connections to the White House appeared to be getting access to the antibody treatments, according to three senior administration officials.
Mr. Giuliani, 76, appeared unaware of the scarcity issues, telling interviewers that politicians have taken masks and business closures too far now that Covid-19 is “a treatable disease.”

In fact, the antibody treatments are so scarce that officials in Utah have developed a ranking system to determine who is most likely to benefit from the drugs, while Colorado is using a lottery system. Dr. Matthew Wynia, director of the Center of Bioethics and Humanities at the University of Colorado, said that giving the powerful access was patently unfair.

“That’s one of the reasons why we decided that we would allocate this only through the state and only through this random allocation process,” he said, “so that no one could get a leg up by virtue of their special connections.”

And there are other complicating factors keeping many people from getting the therapies as well. The infusions must be administered in outpatient settings, but infusion centers, which also care for immune-suppressed cancer patients, are loath to treat people who have an infectious disease. And many emergency rooms are so overrun that they do not have the space.

In Utah, Dr. Fox said her hospital had shipped much of the supply of antibodies to rural hospitals, which had more room. Both she and Dr. Wynia in Colorado expressed concern that the therapies might not be distributed equitably across racial and ethnic lines, with hard-hit minority communities not getting their fair share.

The scarcity is such a problem that the National Academies of Sciences, Engineering and Medicine is holding a session next week to help medical professionals sort their way through rationing questions.

“We’ve been trying to get the word out so that as patients might get a positive test they could get information that they might qualify for treatment, but that only works for people with a lot of resources,” Dr. Fox said.
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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3rd wave in the Netherlands started, again amongst the worst in Europe.

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Wow , that’s surprising I thought they were intelligent ?...... what happened ?

Earlier in the year the Dutch government adopted a strategy of "intelligent lockdown" that avoided strict national restrictions and did not shut down as much of public life as in many other countries.

At the time Mr Rutte described the Netherlands as a "grown-up country" where people were glad to be "treated as adults".
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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This is a picture of the parking lot in Reno Nevada converted into a Covid overflow ward. Very weird. Those beds look terribly uncomfortable and so close together. The look like the convertible bed to coffin set up. It’s very sad.
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injinji

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This is a picture of the parking lot in Reno Nevada converted into a Covid overflow ward. Very weird. Those beds look terribly uncomfortable and so close together. The look like the convertible bed to coffin set up. It’s very sad.
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I can't remember where I saw it, (Newshour, BBC or Amanpour and Co) but somewhere they are using wards again. Everyone there has covid, so no issue with spread. And the socializing seems to help their outcome.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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Trump's last official act will be to fire the entire WH government staff, especially the cleaning staff. The base will be delighted by the news and enthusiastic, not too many will feel enough shame to change.
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Expect a White House deep clean when Biden moves in - CNNPolitics

Expect a White House deep clean when Biden moves in

(CNN)When the White House welcomes a new first family it gets a thorough cleaning in the five hours allotted for the turnover. But with a global pandemic raging -- and an outgoing President whose orbit is rife with people shunning public health guidelines and coming down with Covid-19, this January 20 is expected to include a deeper, more exhaustive cleaning, according to a White House official.

It's one of many changes expected around how the White House operates when President-elect Joe Biden takes over. His campaign has diligently modeled public health guidelines with mask wearing and social distancing even as he campaigned against outgoing President Donald Trump, who instead held large rallies packed with people, many of whom did not wear masks.

While there are not "firm plans" for execution, the agency in charge of things, the General Services Administration, is handling what will be a "thorough disinfecting and cleansing" of every surface in the 55,000 square foot mansion.
Rugs and window treatments, if kept, will also be deep-cleaned, according to the official. The executive residence will be deep-cleaned and likely sprayed "in the same manner as the West Wing and the rest of the White House has been since Covid regulations and guidelines were implemented months ago."

The official said the details of the cleanser and timing of rounds of cleansing, and how many, are all questions for the GSA.

In November, after at least two outbreaks of Covid-19 occurred in the White House, one affecting the first family, GSA contracted a company to regularly "mist" disinfectant cleaner throughout the interior.
Press have witnessed some of the current cleaning, which involve staff in full hazmat-looking suits misting widely used areas such as the briefing room.

These misters are now a frequent and welcome presence to those who work in the building, as science has determined the highly contagious coronavirus can linger on surfaces, as well as be passed through air.
The misters, and the cleaners, will have to tackle the White House's 132 rooms, which consist of 16 bedrooms, 35 bathrooms, six levels of the residence, 412 doors, 147 windows, 28 fireplaces, 8 staircases and at least three elevators.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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If it does, I'm a dead man.
I'd rather die with a smile on my face :)

I think you'll be ok, about the same as drinking with the flu, but the side effects if any only last for a day. I dunno for sure, but the mRNA vaccines might be safer in this regard than an adenovirus based vaccine, but I'm sure you'll be told if before you get the jab. IMHO cut back for a day or two and just maintain an even strain, better than covid, it's hard to drink while intubated. Just do your best to stay safe for a couple of months, the latest news is a single dose of the mRNA vaccines confers significant immunity 70% or better and there is talk of stretching the vaccines by using single doses initially with healthy healthcare workers and doubling the low risk ones covered.
 

DIY-HP-LED

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I saw it on cnn this morning . Is it really fake?
It's real enough, but there are some who continue to spread the lie, they are no better than murders. CNN and all the mainstream media are telling the absolute truth about this pandemic anything else is murdering bullshit and it's people like you that they are looking to murder or work to death. I don't think there will be many republicans left in the healthcare community after Trump, but there are idiots everywhere. You don't live through this kind of shit without it changing you and causing enough nightmares to last a lifetime.
 

Sativied

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Wow , that’s surprising I thought they were intelligent ?...... what happened ?

Earlier in the year the Dutch government adopted a strategy of "intelligent lockdown" that avoided strict national restrictions and did not shut down as much of public life as in many other countries.

At the time Mr Rutte described the Netherlands as a "grown-up country" where people were glad to be "treated as adults".
I can only speculate. It’s not me, I can tell you that. My wife and I both work from home, I do groceries late in the evening when there’s barely any people outside. I started using hand sanitizers and wearing masks since late Feb. People looking at me like I was nuts, even was refused service at a gas station once. Now masks are mandatory for everyone in public spaces, bars and restaurants have been closed again for quite a while already.

You basically already answered part of “what happened?”. Rutte also described NL as slightly anarchic, and said he liked that. Liberal isn’t just a political flavor for him. We historically suck at following rules, orders, and laws. They are all considered to be mere guidelines, even when our own lives depend on it, let alone some strangers like our neighbors. Which can be a good thing when the Germans, the Spanish, the Italians (romans), Napoleon himselfs, or the church wants to dictate the rules, but freedom in today’s covid context comes with a level of responsibility many people just can’t handle, and it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch. Though I’m not sure that’s what’s going on. Seems many people who carefully follow the rules still get infected.

This almost Pavlov-ish opinionated and defiant behavior is expected to become a challenge with vaccinations too. Otherwise rational people who know covid is real and dangerous, aren’t religious, tried many types of drugs bought from sketchy folks in dark alleys, are suddenly very skeptical when it comes to vaccines.

Rutte is smart though, very smart. They guy is like a machine. No relationship, completely dedicated to his job, and the best talker. Up to a point where it becomes sneaky. In a battle of wits, he’d beat any other leader in the world. He knows if he were to more forcefully tell us what to do, he might just reach the opposite, he wouldn’t get reelected, and he would have to admit his ideas of liberalism (people can and should take care of themselves without a government holding their hands) isn’t a great approach for every situation.

To show how far he takes that, the sole reason for a massive nearly 2 trillion euro covid stimulus package from the EU still being stuck after months, is because Rutte wanted to add a clause that Hungary and Poland stop their fascist ways before they get a cent. Just days ago they agreed, adding their condition the european court is involved. That and conditions about economic reforms made NL more unpopular than ever. From south to east europe, many wished we’d catch covid and die.

It’s not like covid-deniers and vaccine conspiracies is a big thing here though. The mask mandate is just a few weeks old, but 6feet distance has been a rule since march. Hand sanitizers in every store. Many people working from home. Schools still open (weren’t during that “intelligent lockdown”). Religious gatherings only up to 30 people. No more than 3 visitors at home. Everytime the rules change they work for a week or two and then people get tired of following them. Pretty much everyone follows the mask mandate though.

In practice what happens is that as long as there are plenty of IC beds available people aren’t scared enough to care enough. Hospitalizations and death rates are still far below what they were during the first wave.

Sweden took an even more loose approach and when comparing to other countries, the waves occur at different times, but in the end it doesn’t seem to make much of a difference both in terms of infections. At least not enough that could also be explained by population density and other factors. Perhaps in a decade or so we’ll know why.

Basically we’re the opposite of Taiwan, where they don’t accept the virus, have huge fines, yet now get to have major parties again. :|
 

Dr.Amber Trichome

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I can only speculate. It’s not me, I can tell you that. My wife and I both work from home, I do groceries late in the evening when there’s barely any people outside. I started using hand sanitizers and wearing masks since late Feb. People looking at me like I was nuts, even was refused service at a gas station once. Now masks are mandatory for everyone in public spaces, bars and restaurants have been closed again for quite a while already.

You basically already answered part of “what happened?”. Rutte also described NL as slightly anarchic, and said he liked that. Liberal isn’t just a political flavor for him. We historically suck at following rules, orders, and laws. They are all considered to be mere guidelines, even when our own lives depend on it, let alone some strangers like our neighbors. Which can be a good thing when the Germans, the Spanish, the Italians (romans), Napoleon himselfs, or the church wants to dictate the rules, but freedom in today’s covid context comes with a level of responsibility many people just can’t handle, and it only takes a few bad apples to spoil the bunch. Though I’m not sure that’s what’s going on. Seems many people who carefully follow the rules still get infected.

This almost Pavlov-ish opinionated and defiant behavior is expected to become a challenge with vaccinations too. Otherwise rational people who know covid is real and dangerous, aren’t religious, tried many types of drugs bought from sketchy folks in dark alleys, are suddenly very skeptical when it comes to vaccines.

Rutte is smart though, very smart. They guy is like a machine. No relationship, completely dedicated to his job, and the best talker. Up to a point where it becomes sneaky. In a battle of wits, he’d beat any other leader in the world. He knows if he were to more forcefully tell us what to do, he might just reach the opposite, he wouldn’t get reelected, and he would have to admit his ideas of liberalism (people can and should take care of themselves without a government holding their hands) isn’t a great approach for every situation.

To show how far he takes that, the sole reason for a massive nearly 2 trillion euro covid stimulus package from the EU still being stuck after months, is because Rutte wanted to add a clause that Hungary and Poland stop their fascist ways before they get a cent. Just days ago they agreed, adding their condition the european court is involved. That and conditions about economic reforms made NL more unpopular than ever. From south to east europe, many wished we’d catch covid and die.

It’s not like covid-deniers and vaccine conspiracies is a big thing here though. The mask mandate is just a few weeks old, but 6feet distance has been a rule since march. Hand sanitizers in every store. Many people working from home. Schools still open (weren’t during that “intelligent lockdown”). Religious gatherings only up to 30 people. No more than 3 visitors at home. Everytime the rules change they work for a week or two and then people get tired of following them. Pretty much everyone follows the mask mandate though.

In practice what happens is that as long as there are plenty of IC beds available people aren’t scared enough to care enough. Hospitalizations and death rates are still far below what they were during the first wave.

Sweden took an even more loose approach and when comparing to other countries, the waves occur at different times, but in the end it doesn’t seem to make much of a difference both in terms of infections. At least not enough that could also be explained by population density and other factors. Perhaps in a decade or so we’ll know why.

Basically we’re the opposite of Taiwan, where they don’t accept the virus, have huge fines, yet now get to have major parties again. :|
I don’t see what’s so complicated about all this. I have been doing the steps now for 10
Months. I drive to work , put on the mask, clock in, wash my hands , gloves on ,disinfect the entire work area. All the counters , door knobs, light switch plates , keyboards , phone and mouse and everything that could have been touched. Fresh start . When working with patients , wash hands put on a face shield and gown and gloves . Work fast and No one in the building is maskless. Stay 6 feet away at all times possible. End of shift, Wash handsClock out , get in car, take off mask, go directly home . Strip clothes off , wash them and take a shower. Repeat. My bubble is small. Just me and my husband. No socializing, no traveling. The only things we do are at home or go for a walk, run or hike. It’s not that hard. I haven’t gotten the virus although plenty of my colleagues have . You slip and you pay the price. You dumb and you pay the price. I am not willing to risk it. I know how it’s transferred and there is no way I am getting it. When I have to use a door handle without a glove I use my long shirt sleeve pulled down over my hand or my elbow to push the door open. Pay attention to what you touch and immediately wash your hands or use hand sanitizer until you can wash your hands. I have been doing it so long no it’s second nature . Stay way from maskless people. Just walk away.
the “intelligent way “in the Netherlands didn’t prepare them for the winter. Not very smart if you ask me. Now they are playing catch up on how this is done correctly. They are rookies when a lot of us in the USA are experts at this at this point . I actually can’t even imagine the day I won’t be following my routine at work.
Good Luck.
 

Sativied

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I don’t see what’s so complicated about all this. I have been doing the steps now for 10
Months. I drive to work , put on the mask, clock in, wash my hands , gloves on ,disinfect the entire work area. All the counters , door knobs, light switch plates , keyboards , phone and mouse and everything that could have been touched. Fresh start . When working with patients , wash hands put on a face shield and gown and gloves . Work fast and No one in the building is maskless. Stay 6 feet away at all times possible. End of shift, Wash handsClock out , get in car, take off mask, go directly home . Strip clothes off , wash them and take a shower. Repeat. My bubble is small. Just me and my husband. No socializing, no traveling. The only things we do are at home or go for a walk, run or hike. It’s not that hard. I haven’t gotten the virus although plenty of my colleagues have . You slip and you pay the price. You dumb and you pay the price. I am not willing to risk it. I know how it’s transferred and there is no way I am getting it. When I have to use a door handle without a glove I use my long shirt sleeve pulled down over my hand or my elbow to push the door open. Pay attention to what you touch and immediately wash your hands or use hand sanitizer until you can wash your hands. I have been doing it so long no it’s second nature . Stay way from maskless people. Just walk away.
the “intelligent way “in the Netherlands didn’t prepare them for the winter. Not very smart if you ask me. Now they are playing catch up on how this is done correctly. They are rookies when a lot of us in the USA are experts at this at this point . I actually can’t even imagine the day I won’t be following my routine at work.
Good Luck.
Your careful and intelligent responsible behavior sums up what Rutte expected from people during the intelligent lockdown, and is what most of us did during the first wave. Most still do, but not consisted enough. As soon as the curve goes down, people become more careless and it goes up again.

Despite the whole way he brought it, including the name, short of a full lockdown we had and have very similar rules to other countries that have better results. So it’s not a matter of lack of expertise (and the USA overall is statistically doing even worse so probably not the best example of how it’s done correctly), we look carefully at other countries too, and decisions are based heavily on input of scientists and medical experts. The problem is all the resulting rules aren’t effective when not enough people actually change their behavior for more than a couple of weeks. There’s also a lack of enforcement, fines are low and people get away with a warning. In Germany and many other nearby countries fines are higher and some even have jail sentences. The mistake Rutte made and continues to make is insisting enough people in NL can be responsible adult enough to do what you and I have been doing for the past 10 months. If not for themselves, for the sake of others. Turns out not enough people are, Who would have thought... well, I did, cause “idiots everywhere“. Good luck to you too, stay healthy!
 
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